Something to consider.

[pbmax]

The AFC sucks. Only the Broncos under Shanahan were a team that could handle NE (especially its defense).

Their other main competitor would be the Ravens. The Ravens D can handle the NE O. But they have a black hole of an offense.

You get to the Super Bowl 7 times, you will win a couple.

[vince]

The Packers don't stand up to what can only be described as the greatest 16 year run in NFL history. No other regime in the history of the NFL has.

Though if you conduct a comparison with integrity you'd take the first 7 years and 3 Super Bowls out of the equation. Yes the Pats are still clearly the best ever but it's not as stacked against the Packers since Thompson/McCarthy/Rodgers as if you give them a 7-year head start.

I'm also not saying the Packers have been perfect or that there haven't been missed opportunities - but don't people at least want to demonstrate or develop an understanding of what's going on instead of spouting off reactionary bullshit that doesn't even stand up to the most cursory reality check?

The Packers haven't been the most successful franchise in the history of the world the last decade (although they've been great notwithstanding a significant missed opportunity where the ball definitively didn't bounce their way in 2014)?

It follows perfectly then, that they all suck and need to be replaced.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ok the Packers have been good. I am glad you are content. I have no real standing with the team anyway.

[vince]

Again, it has nothing to do with whether I'm content or not.

When people make arguments that are based on lies, irrationality, or just a misunderstanding of reality, it just spreads emotion-driven stupidity.

I don't care who agrees with my opinions at all, but I'm hoping to find arguments that start with some semblance of the truth - and then proceed with intelligence from there. There are a lot of good posts and posters here who build arguments based on facts/assumptions not in evidence - and it's a big waste-of-time circle jerk of posts advancing opinions that are based on misunderstandings or lies in the first place.

[BZnDallas]

Ok the Packers have been good. I am glad you are content. I have no real standing with the team anyway.

Good Lord this argument about fans being content is so boring. Nobody is content. Every fan in this forum wants the Packer to win the Super Bowl every year. That just doesn't happen in the nfl, let alone sports in general. Even N.E. takes years off, haha. But apparently we all have to think the world is ending in Packer Land or we're fat and happy. Insert fat joke. Can you come up with something other than drinking koolaid and being content to rile the masses up please? This off-season is going to be long enough as it is without this boring argument.

[texaspackerbacker]

Brady has been damn good for a long time, and he deserves mention as the best all time. However, even yesterday for most of the game, Brady couldn't cut it when for 3 quarters or so, he had to put up with what Aaron Rodgers has to put up with virtually all game every game. Aaron Rodgers is without a doubt, the better QB of the two i.e. the best of all time. Why? Because he performs at a high level with a lot less quality around him. Ideally, Ted FINALLY loads up the Packers to the extent that in Rodgers' 6 or 8 or 10 remaining years, he can surpass Brady in championships and put this question to rest of who is the best. I'm not holding my breath for that, though.

[Rutnstrut]

Again, it has nothing to do with whether I'm content or not.

When people make arguments that are based on lies, irrationality, or just a misunderstanding of reality, it just spreads emotion-driven stupidity.

I don't care who agrees with my opinions at all, but I'm hoping to find arguments that start with some semblance of the truth - and then proceed with intelligence from there. There are a lot of good posts and posters here who build arguments based on facts/assumptions not in evidence - and it's a big waste-of-time circle jerk of posts advancing opinions that are based on misunderstandings or lies in the first place.

How is anybody else's assessments of the team any less accurate than yours? You and others take the homer view that states TT/Stubby are the best and can do no wrong. Some of us are realists. We say yeah TT and stubby are decent, but they definitely have flaws. TT has and is wasting the awesomeness of Aaron Rodgers, if you can't see that. It may because you refuse to take off the green and gold glasses.

[Zool]

How is anybody else's assessments of the team any less accurate than yours? You and others take the homer view that states TT/Stubby are the best and can do no wrong. Some of us are realists. We say yeah TT and stubby are decent, but they definitely have flaws. TT has and is wasting the awesomeness of Aaron Rodgers, if you can't see that. It may because you refuse to take off the green and gold glasses.

Find one person that says they are the best. Just 1.

You don't say they are decent, you say they suck. If you'd like me to find proof of that, give me :38 seconds to do a quick search of your post history.

[Rutnstrut]

Find one person that says they are the best. Just 1.

You don't say they are decent, you say they suck. If you'd like me to find proof of that, give me :38 seconds to do a quick search of your post history.

Stubby is mediocre to solid, TT just plain sucks. There I saved you the work.

[Carolina_Packer]

I do agree that Rodgers is the best QB ever; I think this year I moved to that belief.

I really think we need a LOT LOT more team speed on defense. Kind of where Atlanta was before the draft last year when they focued on adding speed and athletes to the defense and it seemed to really improve them

QFT! Atlanta's young linebackers are fast, can fly around, hit and cover. Green Bay's young linebackers are try hard guys who are developing, but may never have that gear that Atlanta's linebackers have. They invested more heavily. Green Bay used two fourth round choices in each of the last two drafts, plus an undrafted player. I don't care when they were selected. I care whether they can play.

[Netmag]

Hate to be an ATL fan right now. Almost makes me glad we didn't make it this year. Although we may have been able to win, the odds too low to expect victory against teams that are consistently competent on both sides of the ball.

To me, this game was still about the defenses. Even though Ryan's passer rating was high in the 1st half, ATL's offense was actually held under reasonable control. Patsies made some mistakes with turnovers which helped ATL build a lead. ATL's D actually compensated for the first 3 Qtrs so they still were able to command the lead. Eventually, their D just ran out of gas and it made the Patsies look like brand new team. They were consistent enough on both sides of the ball that they were able to dominate when ATL's D crapped out.

Unless we hit a big streak of luck, I don't think we're winning a SB until we at least become more consistently competent on D.
AROD affords us the luxury to be lopsided on Offense and still be great on O (as long as he is not injured), but we can't get by on that alone to help our D. Our D needs to be good enough to help AROD out when he's having a rough QTR instead of the other way around.
They showed flashes of that in the playoffs which actually helped balance us out and win, but it just wasn't consistent enough meaning they looked like they were competent for one QTR and then look like crap the next. Then in the last game, they completely collapsed out. We need to acquire some proven assets (including finding ways to grab some extra higher level talent) to bolster our D and help AROD out while it still matters.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I actually think we could have caught Atlanta if the ball had bounced in our favor a couple of times. A couple of bad plays took the air out of our football (Rip getting stripped and Crosby missing FG.) We had our share of TO chances, we just come up short...

...Naw, what am I saying! We got creamed!

[hoosier]

TT and MM are the best. Ever.

[bobblehead]

You know what the humor of all this is. The same people saying we are wasting Rodgers are the ones who wanted to trade him so Favre could win one more superbowl.

[Maxie the Taxi]

TT and MM are the best. Ever.

Well...maybe not the "best."

Well...maybe not "ever."

Well...maybe not TT.

Well...maybe not even MM.

Well...maybe neither.

Well...maybe TT but MM actually sucks.

Well...actually they both suck.

Well...actually they could be the worst ever.

Well...yeah...TT and MM are the worst ever.