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Originally posted by Fritz
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What NE is doing is unprecedented and historic, especially in this era of FA and a salary cap. Folks here and on other Packers' forums are complaining about us not doing likewise. If it were so easy how come nobody else in this league is as successful, even those with really good QBs? Are they a bunch of morons too? If you visit forums of other teams like the Steelers or Seattle those fans aren't bemoaning about what NE is doing or calling for the heads of their GM and HC and they have been about as successful as we have been in the last decade. -
No one else has come close because no one else has hoody genius. He is the difference by far.Originally posted by Pugger View PostComment
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Let's not get carried away with our admiration here hahahahaha. As has been said, Belichek wasn't all that special before coaching the Patriots. Certainly he's done well, and they've done well. However, it seems to me to be a matter of things just falling right for them. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, coaches can screw things up - and many do, but the "genius" aspect - the "magic" a coach can do to make good things happen - is extremely limited. To his credit, Belichek hasn't screwed things up, but I wouldn't take it much beyond that.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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His halftime adjustments won a fuck ton of games. Saying otherwise is arguing just to argue. His cheating isn't great, but his coaching brain is.Originally posted by 3irty1Comment
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When you take the above quote of mine I was referring to GOAT. The bottom quote is skill and talent. Rodgers is pretty damn talented he just hasn't had the number of important wins that Brady has. Brady and the Patriots have used his talents to win 5 Super Bowls and attended seven. Brady has better results in bigger games.Originally posted by bobblehead View PostComment
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Patriots were an average franchise before Bellichick. A short stint with the Browns shouldn't be enough to judge anyone's coaching credentials.Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View PostComment
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Belicheck was on the brink of turning the franchise around before Modell pulled the rug out from underneath the whole city. This great show gives a glimpse of what makes Belicheck what he is. It also shows how tough it is in the NFL and how good/great coaches can fail or come up short when everything doesn't come together. Definitely worth the watch.Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
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And of course here's another trait that made Belicheck great.
Inside Spygate
AS THE PATRIOTS became a dynasty and Belichick became the first coach to win three Super Bowls in four years, an entire system of covert videotaping was developed and a secret library created. "It got out of control," a former Patriots assistant coach says. Sources with knowledge of the system say an advance scout would attend the games of upcoming Patriots opponents and assemble a spreadsheet of all the signals and corresponding plays. The scout would give it to Adams, who would spend most of the week in his office with the door closed, matching the notes to the tapes filmed from the sideline. Files were created, organized by opponent and by coach. During games, Walsh later told investigators, the Patriots' videographers were told to look like media members, to tape over their team logos or turn their sweatshirt inside out, to wear credentials that said Patriots TV or Kraft Productions. The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you're filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.Comment
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Many may remember this game at Lambeau back in '07.
This year there was a drone caught filming Falcons practices leading up to the Super Bowl. It was written off as just a neighbor.For a window into the Patriots’ tactics, multiple Packers sources provided a fascinating account of what happened in the 35-0 victory last Nov. 19.
A man identifying himself as a Patriots employee asked a security guard if he could shoot footage of Lambeau Field before the game, and permission was granted.
Just before the game, he requested to stay on the sidelines to record quarterback Tom Brady for the coaching staff. However, he was soon spotted filming the Packers defense and signaling Patriots coaches.
A member of the Packers security staff witnessed the exchange and asked him to leave. He retreated to the tunnel, continued filming, and appeared to be communicating with the coaches via hand signals before being escorted off the field.
Asked why the Patriots weren’t reported, a Packers executive suggested there was a code of silence regarding such matters, particularly after a blowout.
It’s interesting to note a pair of comments after that game. The first came from Packers corner Al Harris, who praised the Patriots coaching staff.
“It’s almost like they knew what we were doing, you know?” he said. “You have to tip your hat to them. They ran plays designed for us.”
Following the season, Belichick conducted an interview with the Globe and singled out the Packers game as a turning point, coming on the heels of consecutive losses to the Jets and Colts.Comment
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I say again, a large part of Patriot success is things just falling right i.e. luck. And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if cheating as a bit of a factor too. Belichek is a good coach, but he ain't quite as special as some would make him out to be.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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If you think other teams don't exploit the grey areas, including the Packers. You are definitely living in La la land.Originally posted by vince View PostComment
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They all do. Dungy admitted they did all they could to steal signals each week. At a minimum, they figured out the live signaler on the sideline for the offense so they could get a 1-3 second head start on sending out the correct personnel on D. Dungy employed noted signal stealer Howard Mudd. They also all can tape the opposite sideline.Originally posted by Rutnstrut View Post
But only one team was caught videotaping with sideline cameras during the game AFTER the League banned that specific practice.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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The Saints totally squandered and mismanaged Drew Brees!
The Vikings totally squandered RB Adrian Peterson (zero SBs)!
The Chargers wasted Rivers!!!
The Colts are wasting Luck!!!!!
Cam Newton needs Josh Norman!!!!!!
Shanahan killed RG3!!!!!!!!!
Waaaaaahhh time for a nap.Comment
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All true, but NONE of them even approach the level of greatness of Aaron Rodgers.Originally posted by run pMc View PostWhat could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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NE has been lucky (and unlucky twice) in their SB appearances. All but one - SB 38 against the Panthers in 2004 - were decided by 4 points or less. So they could be 1-6 in these SBs instead of 7-2 if things would have gone in their opponents favor like the INT against Seattle, for example.Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
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