This is going to be difficult: the NFL in your restroom

[SkinBasket]

To my knowledge, the diagnosis of this condition is purely psychiatric, and well, that branch of the medical profession has had its share of mis-steps.

A statement like the one in the OP reminds me an awful lot of a statement made to me by the parent of a kid I was coaching about why they were removing their child from a school. They were concerned the (openly gay male) teacher was a pedophile. Why? Well, because they obviously had one mental defect, so good chance they had another.

down the rabbit hole we go...

Listen, I'm no doctor, but you seem to be at odds with them. From what I can tell, however, you are conflating gender dysphoria with homosexuality, which are two entirely different things, neither of which is relevant to the conversation, outside of the fact that the NFL, in my opinion, as a business should have no business in trying to affect legislation debated by elected representatives through economic coercion.

[SkinBasket]

Wired ran the numbers: https://www.wired.com/2016/09/guess-...orth-carolina/

I promised this wouldn't be a political discussion, but this "article" made me LOL, as the kids say. Thanks PB.

[texaspackerbacker]

Anybody here want to hazard a guess why a seemingly Good Normal American organization like the NFL would get behind support for perversion and bullshit like this whole mess? Does anybody really think anything more than an extremely minuscule minority of players or fans support weird shit like the whole transgender thing?

[Guiness]

Wouldn't it make more sense to not actually give a presser, and take care of it behind closed doors? If texas passes a law that you believe will reduce revenue of any super bowl venue held there wouldn't it make sense to simply ignore it, don't stick your neck out and don't schedule any superbowls there until you deem it the right business move?

Easy to say, difficult to carry out. While voting with their feet sounds appealing, Jerrah, with his billion dollar baby, would be apoplectic and make it very public, very quickly. If the NFL (ignore for a moment what their reasons are) has decided they will not do business in a state with laws like this, better to make that clear from the outset.

[Guiness]

Yes, but to make a broad stand on allowing grown men to pee beside little girls hurts them much more IMO.

And you accuse others of throwing up false arguments to keep people on the defensive while using the 'think of the children' line yourself?

[SkinBasket]

Anybody here want to hazard a guess why a seemingly Good Normal American organization like the NFL would get behind support for perversion and bullshit like this whole mess? Does anybody really think anything more than an extremely minuscule minority of players or fans support weird shit like the whole transgender thing?

That is the point I was originally making. PB stated it was for monetary reasons, but recent evidence demonstrates such sociopolitical stands to be counterproductive to that end. The main reason I find their actions of value to discussion is not because I feel strongly about the transgender issue, but because I'm starting to find myself growing weary of the trend. Unlike others, I wasn't particularly turned off by the kneeling "demonstrations" this season. I felt they were entirely misguided and based on a mountain of social media falsehoods, but I understand the players aren't necessarily the sharpest tools in the shed, and it was, for the most part, a player activity. When the league as a whole, however, starts lecturing on these issues, and then attempts economic coercion to affect a political end, I find myself less entertained by a league that is supposed to do just that - entertain.

[SkinBasket]

If the NFL (ignore for a moment what their reasons are) has decided they will not do business in a state with laws like this, better to make that clear from the outset.

That's not what they're doing though. They are fine doing business there. They aren't threatening to pull franchises or stop collecting money from fans in Texas. It's not a business decision. It's a political one, where they're threatening economic retaliation if they don't get their way.

[RashanGary]

It's not about business. It's about social control and mind control. The companies at the top don't compete. By manipulating the politicians, businesses and banks legislate competition away. With that, a few very sinister people at the very top of several organizations are responsible for spreading the continuous mind control message that you see in media, entertainment, education and in several other areas.

People, for the most part, are just a bunch of mindless sheep. This is like the sheep dog rounding you up, skinbasket, and distrating you while they corral you where they want you.

[RashanGary]

Top companies don't collapse, they get bailed out. Same with banks. Govt is no better. These big companies being greedy and trying to profit is a lie. The reality of huge business is it doesn't really profit that much. It controls. Huge corps, banks and govt work hand in hand to leach from the public. Those at the top look at us like mindless idiots while they skim from our hard work as if we were work horses or donkeys for their usage. And for the most part people are dumb enough to do it, so why not really.

[texaspackerbacker]

That is the point I was originally making. PB stated it was for monetary reasons, but recent evidence demonstrates such sociopolitical stands to be counterproductive to that end. The main reason I find their actions of value to discussion is not because I feel strongly about the transgender issue, but because I'm starting to find myself growing weary of the trend. Unlike others, I wasn't particularly turned off by the kneeling "demonstrations" this season. I felt they were entirely misguided and based on a mountain of social media falsehoods, but I understand the players aren't necessarily the sharpest tools in the shed, and it was, for the most part, a player activity. When the league as a whole, however, starts lecturing on these issues, and then attempts economic coercion to affect a political end, I find myself less entertained by a league that is supposed to do just that - entertain.

Yes, you would certainly think it would come back to bite them in the ass. Getting on the wrong side of decency, wholesomeness, and normalcy may be ok for TV networks, movie studios, even educational institutions, but why the NFL? No matter how much they get in bed with perversion, I'm not gonna stop watching games and being a fan, and I suppose that's the case for just about anybody, but WHY? And better yet WHO in the organization thinks this disgusting shit is worth promoting? Fire his ass!

The anti-American shit of Kaepernick and others was bad enough, but vile as it was, it was at least a position probably a bigger (although still small) segment of players and fans identify with. But this sick transgender and homosexuality shit? Sheeeesh!

(I'm still waiting for somebody in here to come out and defend that crap - thereby labeling themselves hahahahahahaha. No takers? Good.

[Deputy Nutz]

That's not what they're doing though. They are fine doing business there. They aren't threatening to pull franchises or stop collecting money from fans in Texas. It's not a business decision. It's a political one, where they're threatening economic retaliation if they don't get their way.

I understand this is football related and you are expressing you opinions and concerns about football and not trying to venture much further from that, but this is big business in America. Whatever you want to call it, it is business trying to extort their will on government, and the people of this country. Usually when businesses do this and it fits our own agenda we don't say much about it, but when big business makes a stand or delivers an ultimatum that we don't agree with we freak out and condemn the current system. The NFL has to make decision based on their projected growth numbers and predictions. I sincerely doubt the NFL brass gives more than one fuck about the bathroom usage in America. They are looking at their bottom line dollars and do not want to get targeted for supporting discrimination in any capacity, the NFL apparently feels that this is the best direction for their business to grow.

I think you are stretching the kneeling, or the refusal to stand for the National Anthem has major reason that the NFL has been stagnate in growth over the past couple of years. The NFL has had several major rule changes and enforcement of rules that have changed the game dramatically and although they are trying to make the game safer for players it has damaged the overall product on the field. I can list them out for you if you want, but I really don't feel like it.

[SkinBasket]

I'm not solely blaming Kapernick for the decline, but it was a factor. However, we can also look at Target's same "business decision" and how it cost them, and continues to cost them for 3 quarters running now, to see that opposition to this issue is not passive. I don't know if companies like this have overestimated support for these social and political issues, or if their ownership/leadership truly believe in them and are willing to take a hit for it, but unless something changes pretty dramatically, it appears that this isn't going to bring them economic returns.

[bobblehead]

And you accuse others of throwing up false arguments to keep people on the defensive while using the 'think of the children' line yourself?

I use exactly this. I don't think there was ever a big problem with true transgenders who dressed their identified sex walking into a public RR, doing the business and leaving. Doubt very highly it was an issue at all. I live in vegas where I see it all the time and we NEVER had security escort them out.

The left, in their further attempt at identity politics, decided to drop a decree from on high that basically said anyone can use any bathroom they want at any time....depending on how they self identified that day and businesses would be sued out of business if they stopped them.

The effect of such a decree is that if some grown pervert decides he wants to use the women's room (and hang out for 30 minutes doing so) a business has to look the other way or risk said perv saying "I'm a woman damn you" and then suing.

So yes, I am thinking of the children when I say a business has to be able to stop this behavior on its premises or else its lose/lose.

[bobblehead]

I don't buy that its an economic decision. Here is my reasoning. Whenever ANY company takes a stand on ANY political issue I generally dump the stock and ignore it for awhile. The reason is that no matter which side of any issue you stand on publicly you alienate some people. Its never a winner. Bottom line when people get butthurt over your stance on something not related to your business they do things to hurt your business. I can't think of anyone saying "hey, I hate coffee, but starbucks is forcing uncomfortable race relation discussions on their customers and I suppport this so I'm buying a macchiato today." What happens lies between "meh" and "fuck them, I'm not going in this week, I'll try seattles best". It pretty much can only hurt you. (and it goes both ways. If they tried to say "black lives don't matter" they would suffer from the other side, but benefit nothing)

[ThunderDan]

Have any of you been in a restroom during an NFL game. No kid is going to get molested at an NFL game without 20 people jumping in.