Official OTA's/Minicamp Thread

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Herb Waters gets some buzz. Nice quotes from Whitt about what he likes in a DB.

http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-just-who-is-herb-waters-553?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

He was an undrafted rookie receiver out of Miami in 2016. Sounds promising right? The stable of Hurricanes’ receivers has guys like Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss.

Then Waters got cut and Packers cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt Jr. had to sway him to learn a new position while being on an NFL practice squad. Waters said yes and Whitt is pretty happy he did.

“When I saw him in rookie camp I asked for him then,” Whitt said with a smile. “When he was at receiver. I didn’t get him then, but I asked for him then. He has the skill set that I like to coach. He has long arms, he can bend, he can get out his hips. He can see and he can get the ball.”

This writer maintains the best efforts of mini camp at DB have been from House and Rollins.

[Fritz]

It would be nice if Rollins could develop; Randall's gotten the most criticism and the most praise, but Rollins was a second round pick - that's a big investment in a guy who seems too slow to start and not saavy enough to get around his limitations.

[KYPack]

Waters has another thing going for him. An ex UM wide receiver making the trans to CB, just like Sam Shields. Whitt did a brilliant job of teaching Sammy the job. Maybe he can catch lightning in a bottle again with Waters.

Randall and Rollins are solid athletes, but both of them get lost at times. I know Joe has gone over this a million times with 'em, but they both need to work on their pre-snap mechanics. Our two best CB's in pre-snap Gunter and House. They both really concentrate on their pre-snap set-up. Maybe Joe can pour some STP gas treatment in Gunter's tank and get him some more speed.

[smuggler]

Gunter with more speed is a 1st round pick. But he's not going to gain a step overnight. He's at his physical limits.

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Gunter with more speed is a 1st round pick. But he's not going to gain a step overnight. He's at his physical limits.

[texaspackerbacker]

Gunter with more speed is a 1st round pick. But he's not going to gain a step overnight. He's at his physical limits.

Gunter played better than any other Packer Corner last season. Unfortunately, he couldn't handle some of the top receivers of other teams. However, I think he'd be a damn fine second Corner if Kevin King or maybe House can take over as the top Corner. I'm glad they put Randall in the slot, as that means Gunter is more likely to get a crack at being a starting Corner. The key to it all is having that #1 emerge - hopefully King. Then we've got a ton of quality and depth. Otherwise, it's just like last year but with more choices.

[Joemailman]

Gunter played better than any other Packer Corner last season. Unfortunately, he couldn't handle some of the top receivers of other teams. However, I think he'd be a damn fine second Corner if Kevin King or maybe House can take over as the top Corner. I'm glad they put Randall in the slot, as that means Gunter is more likely to get a crack at being a starting Corner. The key to it all is having that #1 emerge - hopefully King. Then we've got a ton of quality and depth. Otherwise, it's just like last year but with more choices.

The problem is that unless things have changed, The Packers don't have a #1 corner who they put on the other teams #1 receiver. They play sides. So unless the Packers change things, opposing teams can put their #1 WR against Gunter, and force the Packers to decide if they want to give Gunter help.

[Bretsky]

I hope he does awesome, but I don't share the love fest for King. Still think Watt would have done great in GB

[bobblehead]

Gunter played better than any other Packer Corner last season. Unfortunately, he couldn't handle some of the top receivers of other teams. However, I think he'd be a damn fine second Corner if Kevin King or maybe House can take over as the top Corner. I'm glad they put Randall in the slot, as that means Gunter is more likely to get a crack at being a starting Corner. The key to it all is having that #1 emerge - hopefully King. Then we've got a ton of quality and depth. Otherwise, it's just like last year but with more choices.

Hmmm....first time I've agreed with Tex in awhile. You nailed it.

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Hmmm....first time I've agreed with Tex in awhile. You nailed it.

Joe nailed the problem though. Neither King not House are gonna shadow the #1 receiver. At least, neither has done it professionally before (unsure if King played sides or matchup in college).

So if Gunter is the RCB, he's going to get the fastest #1 WRs and the defense is going to have to roll coverage. So your defense is already on the defensive.

[MadScientist]

I hope he does awesome, but I don't share the love fest for King. Still think Watt would have done great in GB

I think Watt would have been terrible paired up against #1 receivers.

As for Gunter, I like him as a backup, as he is assignment-sure, but he is just limited physically. If House has lost a step, then Gunter may be the best option, but at the moment I'd rather House be the second outside CB. That is what he was brought in for.

[texaspackerbacker]

Joe nailed the problem though. Neither King not House are gonna shadow the #1 receiver. At least, neither has done it professionally before (unsure if King played sides or matchup in college).

So if Gunter is the RCB, he's going to get the fastest #1 WRs and the defense is going to have to roll coverage. So your defense is already on the defensive.

That may very well be the way things were done in the past, but I'll give Capers the benefit of the doubt in terms of adjusting things based on circumstance. Whether that means getting away from the "sides" thing or giving Safety help at times or whatever, I don't think he's just gonna sit back and let a Corner get beat by speed or whatever. Besides, a slower Corner like Gunter can do some adjusting himself using angles, etc. to deal with a speed guy. There were only a very few who beat him bad last year, so some of those he handled must have had pretty fair speed.

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That may very well be the way things were done in the past, but I'll give Capers the benefit of the doubt in terms of adjusting things based on circumstance. Whether that means getting away from the "sides" thing or giving Safety help at times or whatever, I don't think he's just gonna sit back and let a Corner get beat by speed or whatever. Besides, a slower Corner like Gunter can do some adjusting himself using angles, etc. to deal with a speed guy. There were only a very few who beat him bad last year, so some of those he handled must have had pretty fair speed.

It was a mess last year, so we probably shouldn't draw too hard a conclusion from it, but Gunter did not shift away from the right side last year.

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Joe nailed the problem though. Neither King not House are gonna shadow the #1 receiver. At least, neither has done it professionally before (unsure if King played sides or matchup in college).

So if Gunter is the RCB, he's going to get the fastest #1 WRs and the defense is going to have to roll coverage. So your defense is already on the defensive.

That may have been precisely because we didn't have a true #1. They might line up differently if King suddenly emerges as that guy.

[bobblehead]

That may very well be the way things were done in the past, but I'll give Capers the benefit of the doubt in terms of adjusting things based on circumstance. Whether that means getting away from the "sides" thing or giving Safety help at times or whatever, I don't think he's just gonna sit back and let a Corner get beat by speed or whatever. Besides, a slower Corner like Gunter can do some adjusting himself using angles, etc. to deal with a speed guy. There were only a very few who beat him bad last year, so some of those he handled must have had pretty fair speed.

Oh good lord...twice in the same thread.