Packers Offered Brett Hundley in Trade Talks

[mraynrand]

This will be the real test - Does Cleveland offer anything for him. Kizer didn't show much (except maybe against the Packers sorry excuse for a D), so if the brain trust that knows him best doesn't want him, who else will? If they do want him, then clearly he is seen has having value by the people who know best.

Cleveland spent an entire year gving Kizer experience. He's now at the threshold of being a serviceable backup/marginal starter (with an infusion of talent around him). Cleveland will get a legit starter and keep Kizer as their backup. There will be no interest in Hundley.

[pbmax]

If not retained by the Packers on a cheap deal, maybe 2 years, he will be a street free agent and a camp arm for someone.

His absolute top upside would be to find a new coach, make some progress with some emergency starts and get a 3rd string job like Case Keenum.

McCarthy knows much more about QBs than I do, so maybe he is being serious about signs of development. But I am very doubtful. Of all the things you could list as the problem, inaccuracy is the big one, especially deep. If its mechanical or footwork related, what does another year get you that 3 did not?

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000873618/article/packers-offense-unrecognizable-with-brett-hundley

Packers' offense unrecognizable with Brett Hundley

By Matt HarmonAssociate Fantasy Writer/Editor

Published: Nov. 7, 2017 at 12:28 a.m.

[texaspackerbacker]

Imbeciles in here continue to pile on and piss all over Hundley. Mark my words, we will get something decent in trade for him, I'd say 4th round pick or better.

Inaccuracy? Try receivers not getting open. A lot of those throws behind receivers were so to not lead the receiver into coverage - you see a lot of other QBs do that too. No ability to avoid sacks? Try shitty O Line blocking. For a team like the Packers, where the QB gets such poor line blocking, being mobile is essential, and even the worst detractors can't dispute that he was Aaron Rodgers level or better in that area.

[call_me_ishmael]

Man, wish they would have pulled the trigger when they had the chance. If the Packers cut Hundley today, somebody would try to sign him as a back-up I'm sure, but boy, he has no chance at ever being a starter in the league. He's awful.

[smuggler]

Is the offense horrible, but Rodgers carries it to prominence? Or is Hundley one of the worst QBs to ever start in the modern era?

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

[woodbuck27]

This Chart (above) was created @ *** The Coach Clarahanson Show (and deserves all credit for it's creation and findings)

" Zero TD’s and 7 INT’s at home is not a winning formula. ***

http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2017/REG/Packers

Brett Hundley was 3 W - 6 L in 2017. THe Scheduled games and scores are in the LINK above.

In the 6 losses with Brett Hundley @ QB:

The Green Bay Packers lost by a two-touchdown margin (approx. 15 Points). The Offense averaged 12 points The Defense averaged nearly 27 points allowed in these games.

[Joemailman]

Is the offense horrible, but Rodgers carries it to prominence? Or is Hundley one of the worst QBs to ever start in the modern era?

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

It might be that they have designed an offense around Rodgers' unique skills and only Rodgers can really run it. Similar to what happened to Indy in 2011 when Peyton Manning was out. They went from 10-6 to 2-14. I think it does raise the question of the wisdom of developing a young unproven QB as backup vs. signing the vet who used to be a marginal starter and is now relegated to backup status. Especially now that the CBA has pretty much eliminated MM's offseason quarterback school. I always figured developing the young guy was MM's idea, but maybe it was Thompson's.

[Pugger]

It is unfortunate Hundley just doesn't have "it" to be an NFL QB. I suspect he's one of those guys who looks decent enough at practice but not so hot in games when things start to get a little crazy. Judging if a collegiate QB can play in this league must be damn difficult when so many of them flop so spectacularly. Remember how some folks back in 2008 thought Brian Brohm was gonna push Rodgers for the staring job??

[Maxie the Taxi]

It might be that they have designed an offense around Rodgers' unique skills and only Rodgers can really run it. Similar to what happened to Indy in 2011 when Peyton Manning was out. They went from 10-6 to 2-14. I think it does raise the question of the wisdom of developing a young unproven QB as backup vs. signing the vet who used to be a marginal starter and is now relegated to backup status. Especially now that the CBA has pretty much eliminated MM's offseason quarterback school. I always figured developing the young guy was MM's idea, but maybe it was Thompson's.

+1

[bobblehead]

It's not far-fetched at all that we could get a decent draft pick for Hundley. It's primarily imbeciles in here and elsewhere who tend to piss on Hundley. He was not and I'm pretty sure still is not seen as all that bad by NFL personnel people and rational people in general.

Dang man, learn how to admit a mistake. At lease Allen Babre is still in the NFL and STARTING, but I still admit I missed badly on him.

[woodbuck27]

It might be that they have designed an offense around Rodgers' unique skills and only Rodgers can really run it. Similar to what happened to Indy in 2011 when Peyton Manning was out. They went from 10-6 to 2-14. I think it does raise the question of the wisdom of developing a young unproven QB as backup vs. signing the vet who used to be a marginal starter and is now relegated to backup status. Especially now that the CBA has pretty much eliminated MM's offseason quarterback school. I always figured developing the young guy was MM's idea, but maybe it was Thompson's.

" I always figured developing the young guy was MM's idea, but maybe it was Thompson's." Joemailman

What's it going to be now? Mike McCarthy can't speak up 'just for himself'? That's 'a real joke', if anyone decides to use that defense of Mike McCarthy.

Mike McCarthy is CLEARLY on Record, as saying (after Aaron Rodgers went down) and over and over again , that Brett Hundley was his Man and prepared to go as the Packer starting QB.

After every loss (even) MM never indicted Brett Hundley.He (Brett Hundley) was improving, growing as a Starting QB, according to Mike McCarthy.

Comment woodbuck27:

Horseshit Mike McCarthy !.

What was really going on at the expense of Packer Nation?

Packer HC Mike McCarthy defended that position, over bringing in another more game experienced QB.

Some time in the future, and in Court and the 'Colin Kaepernick sides charge'. Mike McCarthy is going to be in 'the Hot Seat' and why he elected to go with his Guy Brett Hundley (hahaha), over Colin Kaepernick.

That's going to be interesting. If anyone can squirm out from beneath it, it's Mike McCarthy. He's very experienced.

[Maxie the Taxi]

It is unfortunate Hundley just doesn't have "it" to be an NFL QB. I suspect he's one of those guys who looks decent enough at practice but not so hot in games when things start to get a little crazy. Judging if a collegiate QB can play in this league must be damn difficult when so many of them flop so spectacularly. Remember how some folks back in 2008 thought Brian Brohm was gonna push Rodgers for the staring job??

It's a crap shoot for sure. But a lot of the problem is scouting confirmation bias. Individuality gets lost in the stereotype of the model NFL QB. Russell Wilson couldn't make it in the NFL because of his height. Rodgers was a "system" QB. It works the other way too when a kid is tagged with a "can't miss" label for one reason or another. See JaMarcus Russell.

[Smidgeon]

It might be that they have designed an offense around Rodgers' unique skills and only Rodgers can really run it. Similar to what happened to Indy in 2011 when Peyton Manning was out. They went from 10-6 to 2-14. I think it does raise the question of the wisdom of developing a young unproven QB as backup vs. signing the vet who used to be a marginal starter and is now relegated to backup status. Especially now that the CBA has pretty much eliminated MM's offseason quarterback school. I always figured developing the young guy was MM's idea, but maybe it was Thompson's.

Does that mean M3 is a "highly successful football coach" because he got more wins out of Hundley in part of a year than the Colts did in an entire year?