Michael Bennett: Police singled me out, put a gun near my head

[pbmax]

Sheesh....we'ere about an hour from the beginning of the season....PB is a couple post's away from a milestone....Patler is preparing for his second game day experience......

Get a fuckin' grip...

I'd give up that post to have better and more video.

[Rutnstrut]

I have no problem with overwhelming force to overcome a threat. But I don't see the threat. Perhaps there was, but I haven't seen anything convincing yet.

The letter from the Union chief is not convincing because he picked a side before any of this happened. His job is to defend and deflect.

The review procedures most organizations use is WAY too insular. Only police and their supervisors are on them. Citizen involvement is limited, some of them have no say, they are observers only. The Police protect and serve the public. If there are questions about their public conduct for their job, the evidence should be public. So I am not optimistic this gets cleared up.

The cameras being off should be a fireable offense.

The lack of thorough data being collected and reported by departments about interactions with the public is ridiculous.

A life threatening encounter with police (at the casino or doing air conditioner repair) should not rest on a fight/flight or flee response by a panicked individual.

It is pretty easy for us to "Monday morning QB" the situation. We can't say what we would do if we haven't been in that kind of situation.

[pbmax]

It is pretty easy for us to "Monday morning QB" the situation. We can't say what we would do if we haven't been in that kind of situation.

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

[woodbuck27]

Of course he hasn't, Mounties don't actually get off their horses and do that stuff

That's not actually correct. I have the Proof:

[Rutnstrut]

That's not actually correct. I have the Proof:

Freakin mounties profiling a white guy.

[woodbuck27]

Sheesh....we'ere about an hour from the beginning of the season....PB is a couple post's away from a milestone....Patler is preparing for his second game day experience......

Get a fuckin' grip...

Ahh No !
This is what makes Packerrats get to the level of ' It's at it's best ! '

[woodbuck27]

Freakin mounties profiling a white guy.

I suspect he is a Native and 'off the Warpath'.

[woodbuck27]

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

pbmax do NOT waste your Posts.

In Canada we might say your a Jean Beliveau or a Bobby Orr away from 50 K Posts. They both are Famous NO. 4 NHL Hockey Jersey Wearers.

Actually... there was once upon a time a Famous Man that wore NO.4 in Green Bay.



Your 'All Day Sucker' is almost gone.

[QBME]

Ahh No !
This is what makes Packerrats get to the level of ' It's at it's best ! '

Ahh Ed... got it, to a point...

[mraynrand]

Admirable distillation, lost to many or most.

It's important in all these publicized police encounters to remember, in particular at the beginning, the following:

1) You weren't there
2) You don't know all the facts
3) the first reports are always the least accurate
4) your bias affects your interpretation
5) The media have and will frame the story according to their biases, including presenting altered audio or video

[mraynrand]

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

Just to clarify - do you believe that only a minority (the exceptions) of police departments are well-run?

[pbmax]

Just to clarify - do you believe that only a minority (the exceptions) of police departments are well-run?

I have no idea how many would qualify as well run or what percentage. What I was referring to was their ability to be publicly administered or self correct.

Because there is little baseline reporting on police interactions (the reports the feds put together must be supplemented by digging through public records to catch missed events from some departments that don't report at all) means that reporting and tracking is difficult. So I am not sure what the benchmarks would be for well run.

But improvement is hard if there is no self correct mechanism. And lack of reporting reinforces that.

[mraynrand]

I have no idea how many would qualify as well run or what percentage. What I was referring to was their ability to be publicly administered or self correct.

Because there is little baseline reporting on police interactions (the reports the feds put together must be supplemented by digging through public records to catch missed events from some departments that don't report at all) means that reporting and tracking is difficult. So I am not sure what the benchmarks would be for well run.

But improvement is hard if there is no self correct mechanism. And lack of reporting reinforces that.

gotcha. thanks.

[call_me_ishmael]

I was removing an AC from a window at my church, and a neighbor called the police, thinking I was breaking in (unbeknownst to me). The police arrived soon (five cars if you can believe it) and surrounded the building. I saw one out the window and asked him what was going on. He told me to come to the door. I opened the door and stared into two draw semi-automatics rifles and a pistol. I did exactly as they told me. Eventually I gave them my wallet and proved who I was and why I was there, but could have been shot pretty easy had I not followed instructions. There were no body cams. Honestly, I would not run at all. I would get on the ground and put my hands behind my head and await instructions if police are involved.

And you think that's right? Some idiot cop could have slipped a bit and ended you. And for what? Where was the threat that justified them aiming live weapons at you? Insane.

Cops are not the best of the best. They're not the worst either, but they hardly represent our finest. Many are jags, and you're lucky to be alive after an encounter like that. If you were anything but an old white man you'd probably be dead.

[call_me_ishmael]

Try again.

LOL there is a zero percent chance you're not a middle-aged white man. LOL!