Official 2018 nfl draft thread

[pbmax]

It should be Martinez not Ryan. Ryan fits the 2000s model of Packer ILB. Chase and drag down from behind. That model is getting old.

The numbers mean you are going to have one guy take on a guard. I would rather that be Ryan than Ponch. If its one ILB on field, then Ponch alone is fine.

Of course, teams can counter that and expose Ryan to coverage or lateral movement. But you cannot have an All Pro at every spot without being a terrible franchise for 10 years.

[woodbuck27]

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Here Is The Draft Order For The 1st Round 2018 NFL Draft For Non-Playoff Teams

By Mitchell Renz January 4, 2018

[Deputy Nutz]

The Packers have the 14th pick. It seems that the first round will be heavy for the offensive line with guards and tackles. Some are rated very high in mock drafts, but you know that no GM wants to take a guard with a top 10 pick, top 25 for that matter. Linebacker seems deep in this draft with maybe 6-8 of them mocked in the first round. The Packers could get lucky and be in position to land another top flight corner.

Just off the top of my head, this is the guy I think the Packers should draft, if the draft was tomorrow

Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, OLB, Oklahoma

[run pMc]

The numbers mean you are going to have one guy take on a guard. I would rather that be Ryan than Ponch. If its one ILB on field, then Ponch alone is fine.

Of course, teams can counter that and expose Ryan to coverage or lateral movement. But you cannot have an All Pro at every spot without being a terrible franchise for 10 years.

Agree. Also, both Biegel, Ryan, Martinez were R4 picks, so you're unlikely to be getting All Pro level play. Modern offenses dictate that you don't use thumpers much except for early downs or goal line stands, but you still need one or two.
I don't think Ryan is a stud, but I don't think he's garbage either.
Martinez had a good year, with the exception of a couple of games and the occasional brain freeze with pass coverage. They are both solid players.
Jury is out on Biegel; this was basically a redshirt season for him and Montravious Adams, who might develop as a DL pass rusher.

With the higher picks GB needs perimeter players (pass rush, CBs) IMO, unless there is an absolute beast at ILB who can play all 4 downs available. Considering teams are playing safeties as "moneybackers" now I don't think ILB is a highly valued position (like OG).

I really think another solid corner and a vastly improved pass rush is enough to put them in the top 12-15 on defense, which with a healthy Rodgers is probably enough to make them a strong SB contender.

[QBME]

The Packers have the 14th pick. It seems that the first round will be heavy for the offensive line with guards and tackles. Some are rated very high in mock drafts, but you know that no GM wants to take a guard with a top 10 pick, top 25 for that matter. Linebacker seems deep in this draft with maybe 6-8 of them mocked in the first round. The Packers could get lucky and be in position to land another top flight corner.

Just off the top of my head, this is the guy I think the Packers should draft, if the draft was tomorrow

Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, OLB, Oklahoma

All props.

Don't know squat about the draft, but damn, if you're playing sports scrabble....

[3irty1]

I think there is a fair amount of talent on this defense as is. Our cast offs go on to get double digit sacks for other teams or play in the secondary at the probowl. If this defense can play like even a sum of its parts I think its an average unit. Priorities are things you can never have enough of anyways: CB and OLB.

[Joemailman]

The Packers have the 14th pick. It seems that the first round will be heavy for the offensive line with guards and tackles. Some are rated very high in mock drafts, but you know that no GM wants to take a guard with a top 10 pick, top 25 for that matter. Linebacker seems deep in this draft with maybe 6-8 of them mocked in the first round. The Packers could get lucky and be in position to land another top flight corner.

Just off the top of my head, this is the guy I think the Packers should draft, if the draft was tomorrow

Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, OLB, Oklahoma

Okay.

[pbmax]

I think there is a fair amount of talent on this defense as is. Our cast offs go on to get double digit sacks for other teams or play in the secondary at the probowl. If this defense can play like even a sum of its parts I think its an average unit. Priorities are things you can never have enough of anyways: CB and OLB.

I am with you. Which is why I am hopeful the DC change can elevate them.

My concern is that if McCarthy really has inserted himself into the GM process, the DC pick might get secondary consideration (no pun intended).

Though they need more pass rush even if Perry is healthy.

[Smidgeon]

I am with you. Which is why I am hopeful the DC change can elevate them.

My concern is that if McCarthy really has inserted himself into the GM process, the DC pick might get secondary consideration (no pun intended).

Though they need more pass rush even if Perry is healthy.

Part of me worries the timing for the GM switch was unfortunate. I know a lot of people wanted TT gone for whatever reason. Let's put those aside and just think about timing alone.

Scenario 1: DC was fired as DC. If TT had one more year, M3 would hire a DC without issue or anything hanging over the hiring decision. The DC comes in, they both get a year together. At the end of next year, Murphy retires TT. The new GM comes in and can assess the staff as a whole and decide whether to keep them all or move them in a different direction.

Scenario 2: DC was not fired as DC. TT was retired this year. The new GM comes in and can asses M3 and DC and make a call on them together.

Instead we have Scenario 3: DC was fired and TT was retired. In almost makes the GM's job more difficult because he is not getting a fair chance to assess an embedded staff. There are going to be a lot of growing pains this year.

I like M3 as a coach, but I'm starting to come around to the idea that if the DC (basically the second head coach when the HC is an offensive specialist) and the GM were fired/retired the same year, they might as well clean house completely. There is going to be a lot of moving parts, and the hiring of the DC/GM are going to affect each other. I think the complexity adds risk in that the decisions are less likely to pan out versus if they happened in successive years.

I may be way off, but this almost seems like the riskiest timing for prolonged organizational success versus either successive year changes or cleaning house completely. (For the record, I think cleaning house completely holds its own significant risk as well.)

[pbmax]

That is part of why I think others are right and this was discussed about the time M3 got his one year extension.

Part of the problem of being a lame duck is getting good staff. In fact, I would be impressed if they landed their top choices.

[RashanGary]

Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, OLB, Oklahoma

Hmmmm........ Looks good to me!

[ThunderDan]

That is part of why I think others are right and this was discussed about the time M3 got his one year extension.

Part of the problem of being a lame duck is getting good staff. In fact, I would be impressed if they landed their top choices.

I wouldn’t on the defensive side of the ball. If I am an up and coming talent as a position coach I’d take the job in a second.

If you can imorove a D that performed poorly last year and the O still sputters and the new GM decides to can MM you would be in position for the HC spot at GB. If you improve the D and the O gets back to its usual, the Packers will make a deep run in the playoffs and other teams will start looking at you for their HC job.

[pbmax]

I wouldn’t on the defensive side of the ball. If I am an up and coming talent as a position coach I’d take the job in a second.

If you can imorove a D that performed poorly last year and the O still sputters and the new GM decides to can MM you would be in position for the HC spot at GB. If you improve the D and the O gets back to its usual, the Packers will make a deep run in the playoffs and other teams will start looking at you for their HC job.

I don't know. Most in demand coordinator candidates are looking for some stability.

I could see a guy getting a promotion saying the hell with it and taking the risk. Either internal (Perry, Whitt) or external position coach who has been waiting.

[Bretsky]

I don't know. Most in demand coordinator candidates are looking for some stability.

I could see a guy getting a promotion saying the hell with it and taking the risk. Either internal (Perry, Whitt) or external position coach who has been waiting.

I've joked many times (but was serious) that I'd hire you as a campaign manager in a second and you'd be great whether you believed in my cause or not

There are legit DC's out there. There are legit Personnell guys out there.

I won't be the only one seriously bummed if we hire Cappie Russ and a DC from the inside when there are proven guys out there.

[pbmax]

I've joked many times (but was serious) that I'd hire you as a campaign manager in a second and you'd be great whether you believed in my cause or not

There are legit DC's out there. There are legit Personnell guys out there.

I won't be the only one seriously bummed if we hire Cappie Russ and a DC from the inside when there are proven guys out there.

I am not advocating it. I was saying the reason you extend M3 is to avoid those being your ONLY choices.

I want Fangio or maybe the Arizona guy Bettchner. Would also take Manusky if they could shake him lose (he and M3 are friends).

Its possible Whitt (Woodson and Harris believe in him, which isn't bad) and Perry (who while with Pittsburgh was heavily reported to be in line for a DC job) might be great. I just don't know how to tell. Whitt's guys seem more organized than Perry, but who can tell?