6 DOWN 10 TO GO---TAKE TWO---HOW MANY WINS DOES GB END UP WITH

[mraynrand]

Sorry, I prefer the Pollyanna point of view.

except regarding the roster outside Rodgers

[Smidgeon]

Rodgers first full year as a starter, he went 6-10 (0.375 Winning %) with a relatively talentless squad being rebuilt due to inflated salaries. However, due to injuries, Hundley is probably dealing with similar talent on the field. I predict 8-8 to finish which would give Hundley a 0.400 finish. Slightly better than Rodgers's first year starting because I expect players to heal and bring talent back to the field.

[mraynrand]

Rodgers first full year as a starter, he went 6-10 (0.375 Winning %) with a relatively talentless squad being rebuilt due to inflated salaries. However, due to injuries, Hundley is probably dealing with similar talent on the field. I predict 8-8 to finish which would give Hundley a 0.400 finish. Slightly better than Rodgers's first year starting because I expect players to heal and bring talent back to the field.

do I have to do everything?

[pbmax]

I don't believe it, if you are saying the only difference between the two squads is the QB.

No, the difference is the other franchises stink out loud for multiple years with possible/probably HoF QBs and the Packers are in the playoffs every year.

But to Packer fans, its only due to luck that Thompson stumbled onto Rodgers that they succeed.

[mraynrand]

No, the difference is the other franchises stink out loud for multiple years with possible/probably HoF QBs and the Packers are in the playoffs every year.

But to Packer fans, its only due to luck that Thompson stumbled onto Rodgers that they succeed.

oh, that makes sense.

[hoosier]

Yeah I was confused by that too. However, how then do you account for 2013, when after the Rodgers injury the team did indeed play at a stink-out-loud level? Was the 2013 talent all that different from 2012 and 2014?

[denverYooper]

You mean when he threw the pick six?

They might have beat Atlanta, too, if he hadn't practically handed them 14 points.

[mraynrand]

Yeah I was confused by that too. However, how then do you account for 2013, when after the Rodgers injury the team did indeed play at a stink-out-loud level? Was the 2013 talent all that different from 2012 and 2014?

There was a collection of injuries that year too, including Matthews (you had a hurt Mulumba and Jones as your OLB after Neal got hurt in the playoffs too) EDS at center and Barclay at RT.

But probably the two most critical issues: 1) the backup QB was not good. Flynn got hot one half (Dallas) and 2) team spirit - when you lose a league MVP and know your QB sucks, it brings everyone down - see Colts, 2011 for example.

This is why it will be so critical for Hundley to play reasonably well, and APRH.

[denverYooper]

Rodgers first full year as a starter, he went 6-10 (0.375 Winning %) with a relatively talentless squad being rebuilt due to inflated salaries. However, due to injuries, Hundley is probably dealing with similar talent on the field. I predict 8-8 to finish which would give Hundley a 0.400 finish. Slightly better than Rodgers's first year starting because I expect players to heal and bring talent back to the field.

That was kind of a fun year despite all of the losses. They had several close games where I felt like they were close to breaking through.

[mraynrand]

They might have beat Atlanta, too, if he hadn't practically handed them 14 points.

[mraynrand]

That was kind of a fun year despite all of the losses. They had several close games where I felt like they were close to breaking through.

they had five straight frustrating losses in a row I think, but at least they beat Detroit at the end. Would have been nice if Crosby could have nailed that 69 yard free kick FG though...

[gbgary]

[denverYooper]

[mraynrand]

^^^ Hundley gonna be so good, they can trade Rodgers to Cleveland for a 1, a 2, a 1, 2, 3....

[Patler]

Rodgers first full year as a starter, he went 6-10 (0.375 Winning %) with a relatively talentless squad being rebuilt due to inflated salaries. However, due to injuries, Hundley is probably dealing with similar talent on the field.

I can't agree with that. I think Rodgers had a lot more going for him in 2008 than Hundley has right now.

In 2008, Clifton started 15 games, Tauscher 13. Colledge and Spitz both started all 16. Wells started 13. Colledge and Spitz were in their third years as starters, Wells his fourth. Clifton and Tauscher were in their primes. Josh Sitton had two starts as a backup rookie, Tony Mall the other 5 (3rd year, 13 previous starts.). Jennings and Driver had 15 and 16 starts, respectively. Behind them were Jones (following a good rookie year) and Nelson (rookie). Ryan Grant was in his second year, played all 16 games and had 1200 yards rushing. Donald Lee was in the middle of his 9 year career.

The offense was far ahead of what Hundley may have in terms of health, experience and reliability. The o line in 2008 had just 7 different players who played much, and only 7 starts by backups bu just two different players. Hundley quite possibly will have the 6th and 7th tackles as his starters and the #4 and 5 guards. His o line could be an absolute mess.

The defense in 2008 gave away a lot of games (as did STs), yet they had Kampman, Picket, Jolly, Hawk, Woodson and Collins starting for all 16 games. Kampman was still a sack artist, Woodson and Collins had 7 interceptions, each. Harris was still starting (12 games). Tramon Williams was the #3 CB and had 9 starts. It wasn't under transition at the time.

In 2008 it seemed like everything went wrong, every game.