Brett Hundley - Ongoing discussion

[pbmax]

that would be third year, right?

Wasn't that game mid-2009?

All season there were concerns about holding on to the ball too long and being too indecisive. He was accused of being worried about his stats only and not be willing to throw into tight windows. He often moved his way into trouble in the pocket.

But in that Cowboys game, he and M3 seemed to find a balance.

[mraynrand]

Wasn't that game mid-2009?

Oh I see what's going on here. I was assuming we were talking about Rodger's stint replacing injured Favre at Dallas in Nov. 2007. A week before that was when I saw Rodgers practice before the Thanksgiving game at Detroit and thought he was a keeper. Then he proved it at Dallas.

[pbmax]

Oh I see what's going on here. I was assuming we were talking about Rodger's stint replacing injured Favre at Dallas in Nov. 2007. A week before that was when I saw Rodgers practice before the Thanksgiving game at Detroit and thought he was a keeper. Then he proved it at Dallas.

Gotcha. That fill in stint definitely moved the needle for AR with the public.

But there were still lots of complaints about his game into 2009.

But mostly I am contending we gotta give Hundley a few games to get it in gear with and against starters. And while his HC figures out how to help the kid get the ball downfield.

There is a gif of Hundley in the pocket early in the game. Pocket is noisy but clean and NO ONE is in the middle of the field. But Nelson, who probably had a middle of the field route, has noticed the single high safety drifted over to the Offense's right. So Jordy can run a go from the slot and be uncovered for a TD. He raises his hand but Hundley's eyes have come down to the pass rush, looking for an escape lane.

I bet it was a route adjustment and BH didn't quite see it as he was distracted by some pressure that was not imminent. Its going to take a while.

[beveaux1]

I don't know about confidence or swagger. Hundley doesn't seem lost, beaten or downtrodden yet. He seems pretty perky and in charge of the huddle.

It took until the Cowboys game of Rodgers second year that people finally bought that he would be good. Let's give Hundley at least five games to get himself, the passing game and M3 straight.

I agree that there was some doubt about whether Rodgers could take this team to the promised land after Favre, and I also agree that Hundley shouldn’t be judged until we’ve seen 4 or 5 games - maybe the Bucs game, but everybody could see Rodgers was an NFL starter from the Cowboys game in 2007 on.

Hundley, in my opinion, has a much lower ceiling. We’re trying to find out if he’s a serviceable back up. Can he be a McCown or a Jim Miller or a Kyle Orton, because at this point he hasn’t shown that he’s much better than Scott Tolzien.

[ThunderDan]

Oh I see what's going on here. I was assuming we were talking about Rodger's stint replacing injured Favre at Dallas in Nov. 2007. A week before that was when I saw Rodgers practice before the Thanksgiving game at Detroit and thought he was a keeper. Then he proved it at Dallas.

I saw Arod's wonderful 2006 game against NE at Lambeau Field. Favre got knocked out of the game and in came ARod. He was horrible and broke his foot. He was IRed that week.

I was happy we drafted Brohm and Flynn in 2008 after Favre had retired. I remember thinking he wouldn't be able to hold up to a full season of NFL pounding. Glad I was wrong.

[Pugger]

In Rodgers first playing time of significance against the Cowboys, you could see the confidence and you knew we had a player. From what little I’ve seen of Hunley that confidence that swagger that moxie the it factor isn’t there. He’s a clunker fish or cut bait. IMO.

He's a career backup. We shouldn't have expected a 5th round pick to be the second coming of Russell Wilson.

[Pugger]

I agree. However, Rodgers was a passed over top pick, expected to be at least a solid starter. Hundley is a fifth-rounder expected to maybe be a decent backup. Some thought he was shit (see his scouting report, posted by Maxi every 35 minutes or so)

I was hoping Hundley would be decent. Maybe he still will be, but he obviously needs some time. It would be nice if the defense could help him a little by forcing a punt or two.

Yes, Hundley is basically a backup but our current woes are more on the defense than Hundley's struggles. You aren't gonna beat a lot of teams if your defense can't get off the field or force a punt.

[Pugger]

Gotcha. That fill in stint definitely moved the needle for AR with the public.

But there were still lots of complaints about his game into 2009.

But mostly I am contending we gotta give Hundley a few games to get it in gear with and against starters. And while his HC figures out how to help the kid get the ball downfield.

There is a gif of Hundley in the pocket early in the game. Pocket is noisy but clean and NO ONE is in the middle of the field. But Nelson, who probably had a middle of the field route, has noticed the single high safety drifted over to the Offense's right. So Jordy can run a go from the slot and be uncovered for a TD. He raises his hand but Hundley's eyes have come down to the pass rush, looking for an escape lane.

I bet it was a route adjustment and BH didn't quite see it as he was distracted by some pressure that was not imminent. Its going to take a while.

Not keeping his eyes down field and being too eager to cut and run might be his Achilles's heel.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Not keeping his eyes down field and being too eager to cut and run might be his Achilles's heel.

Time for me to post my Hundley scouting report again. heh heh

[texaspackerbacker]

The problem - and McCarthy himself said this - isn't Hundley; It's the rest of the team. Thank you Ted Thompson for that. The Packers were Great with Aaron Rodgers because he masked the mediocrity of the rest of the team, personnel-wise. The O Line, the whole defense, especially the DBs, the RBs, and the Receivers - both TEs and WRs.

The other thing about Hundley is they still refused to unleash him - at least until the game was pretty much out of reach. Then he did pretty well.

I don't see him cutting and running all that much; I see him looking down field and not finding anybody who has gotten much of any separation from the D. I also see him rushed horribly on virtually every play - same as Aaron Rodgers always was. There was improvement from the first week to the second - he started using one of Aaron's escape moves. Trouble was, it was always the same one - rolling to the right sideline.

No immobile QB would survive with this awful O Line, and even somebody with athleticism and mobility has a tough time - thank you Ted.

[Pugger]

The problem - and McCarthy himself said this - isn't Hundley; It's the rest of the team. Thank you Ted Thompson for that. The Packers were Great with Aaron Rodgers because he masked the mediocrity of the rest of the team, personnel-wise. The O Line, the whole defense, especially the DBs, the RBs, and the Receivers - both TEs and WRs.

The other thing about Hundley is they still refused to unleash him - at least until the game was pretty much out of reach. Then he did pretty well.

I don't see him cutting and running all that much; I see him looking down field and not finding anybody who has gotten much of any separation from the D. I also see him rushed horribly on virtually every play - same as Aaron Rodgers always was. There was improvement from the first week to the second - he started using one of Aaron's escape move. Trouble was, it was always the same on - rolling to the right sideline.

No immobile QB would survive with this awful O Line, and even somebody with athleticism and mobility has a tough time - thank you Ted.

Gee, last season folks were touting our OL as one of the best in the league. Hundley is just as mobile as Rodgers. Teams are attacking our offense differently now. Before they would be nuts to stack and box and force the QB to beat them. But that is what they are doing now. Then we end up with 3rd and long and they bring the house and overwhelm both the line and an inexperienced QB.

Don't but much stock into what a coach says publicly to the press. 99% of that is coach-speak.

[pbmax]

I don't see him cutting and running all that much; I see him looking down field and not finding anybody who has gotten much of any separation from the D.

You have to be joking. He was very skittish in the pocket when pressure showed. He escaped outside and put himself in more jeopardy more than once when he could have stepped up in the pocket.

He needs some time. Both in the pocket but also as an NFL starter.

McCarthy is trying to buy him some time (the latter) by rattling the rest of the roster this week rather than dwell on what they are not getting out of the QB in the passing game after his second start.

[texaspackerbacker]

You call it skittish in the pocket; I call it the same horrible pass rush that always plagued Rodgers. He's doing what needs to be done with this pathetic O Line and receivers who are being exposed as not as good as Aaron Rodgers made them seem.

Yeah, he needs experience, and he doesn't get it when they keep on such a short leash.

[mraynrand]

If only Ted would stop hurting linemen.

[mraynrand]

They definitely need to run the ball, but I think on Monday they were dealing with Taylor's weak ankle, Bak's hammy, no Bennett (remember how well he blocked in addition to dropping passes?) and of course Bulaga lost again. Would be nice to get at least 5 clean pockets off play action.