DOUGHERTY analysis and a COMPARISON of GREEN BAY versus the CLEVELAND BROWNS ROSTER MINUS the QB

[Pugger]

The Browns are headed to 0-8 this season which will place them at 4-36 over the last three seasons.

Someone is going to make the argument that they are as good as the Packers sans the QB?

It appears everyone - and not just folks here - thinks our roster is a dumpster fire and only 4 or 5 of the guys on our roster outside #12 would start for another team and the rest would be lucky to play ST elsewhere - including the Browns. The only reason we won't be picking #1 next spring is because we won 4 games before Rodgers got hurt. Why would Rodgers even want to sign an extension in 2020 and waste more time with these losers?

/sarcasm

[texaspackerbacker]

Even though you can find gems later in the draft or sign FA, it's just a harder numbers game when you are always picking late. The difference makers go early

You can find a LOT of exceptions to that - and we sure haven't had our share of them.

[pbmax]

You can find a LOT of exceptions to that - and we sure haven't had our share of them.

Certainly not on the offensive line.

[mraynrand]

You can find a LOT of exceptions to that - and we sure haven't had our share of them.

Of course you can find exceptions. But you have to add contex. Are you cherry picking or looking at actual frequencies. Like how often is an all pro OLB selected after the 20th pick?

Is Daniels an exception or the rule for where he was picked?

If the top 10 WR in the game, how many made it to the second round?

If the Packers are selecting poor players at their position who does a better job on average? And how are you scoring it? Tackles? Yards surrendered? What weight do
Give to overall schedule? Do other teams have more passing yards over the past ten years against the Packers because they are trying to catch up/ keep pace versus a terrible D? Would they have fewer yards if the Packers O sucked and they ran it more to run out the clock?

Etc etc.

I don't have perfect answers for those questions so that's why I put more weight on the total team concept and results.

[Bretsky]

Certainly not on the offensive line.

actually Buluga was a pick in the 20's and when healthy he's pretty dam good

[pbmax]

actually Buluga was a pick in the 20's and when healthy he's pretty dam good

Sure. But Bach, Lang, Taylor, Linsley, Sitton and Murphy weren't early round picks.

[Tony Oday]

Last I heard the Browns don't have an in-house scouting department, they farm it out.

[run pMc]

Yeah, this is McGinn-ish. Consider the timing (bye week) and need to consistently drive traffic to the site for ad revenue.

Look at the blues. Those are the guys who change games. None for either team without Rodgers. The Packers have three reds to the Browns’ one, and eight golds to the Browns’ five. So the Packers again come out ahead. But it doesn’t come close to accounting for the difference between these two teams.

So sure, there are differences between some NFL rosters. Coaching matters, too. But a lot more often than not, one player separates teams in this league.

Apparently, that one player isn't a red or gold. I'd say if you're grading a roster overall, I'd rather have more blues, reds, and golds than not...and GB has them over CLE in spite of their respective annual drafting slots.
Draft talent tends to get sorted into tiers, and it's rare for GB to draft in that top tier.

I honestly don't think the roster -- when healthy -- is devoid of talent or on a par with Cleveland (whose defense is improved BTW). They have some depth issues, but every team does. Losing starters exposes that.
Going into the season we could see they were taking some risks with their pass rush/OLB's and that has proved to be a losing proposition. I think that's where they've suffered the most...a pass rush helps the secondary, and can force 3-and-outs.
King and Jones will get better over the season, and hopefully Burnett/HHCD will get healthy and back to playing like they can. Daniels is good, and Clark is up and coming. It's the LBs that need to force the issue IMO.

The pre-Hundley offense was pretty good despite all the OL shuffling. Haven't seen much in Hundley to make me think Rodgers' job is in danger, but maybe he'll be Matt Flynn 2.0.

The manic-depressive nature of NFL fandom is either hilarious or maddening, depending on your take.

[KYPack]

Last I heard the Browns don't have an in-house scouting department, they farm it out.

Nah, they have their own scouting organization. In fact, they signed one of our young scouts a year or so ago. I'm surprised more teams don't do that also.

Now how good the Brown-eyes scouting system is, I couldn't say.

[pbmax]

The Bengals skimp in the scouting department, thought they have increased staff under Lewis.

[KYPack]

The Bengals skimp in the scouting department, thought they have increased staff under Lewis.

They skimp in every department:

-The owners daughter runs the cap "department" from spreadsheets on her computer. She royally screws 'em up, causing the team to lose players from time to time.

- A team broadcaster was asked to scout a player for an upcoming draft. He refused, he already had work to do to prepare for the game.

- There are many other examples which I could relate, but that is all the people need to know.

[mraynrand]

^^^ lol.

If Bob McGinn had scouted for the Pack in 2006, they would have traded down from AJ Hawk, received picks 12 and 20 and drafted Halioti Ngata and Tamba Hali (three way trade - Bob, who cares about the Packers, unlike TT, would've made it happen).

BRING BLACK BOB!

[woodbuck27]

He seems to have regressed as a passer. Is that even possible?

But it was just one game....

I'll enjoy seeing Detroit @ Green Bay this week.

The Green Bay Packers are going to have their hands full as the Detroit Lions ran up about 500 Yards on 'O' and simply stalled time after time in the Red Zone. The Pittsburgh Steelers stole a Road Game win from Detroit.

Packer HC Mike McCarthy and his Coaching Staff are going to have to have his QB and all troops Fired Up come Sunday in Week 9.

Ohh there is 'no way' the Green Bay Packers are anything as bad as the Cleveland Browns.

It's in the fact that The NFL is a QB driven league. The NFL Power Ranked 31st Team San Fran 49ers just acquired the NE Pat's Backup Jimmy Garoppolo for what....a 2018 second-round pick I'm guessing that Bill Belichick was being kind to Jimmy Garoppolo here and not trading him to the what seems perennial worst NFL Team or the Cleveland Browns.

A. I swear that if the Green Bay Packers ever really resemble the Cleveland Browns my nearly six decade relationship with the Green Bay Packers as a dedicated fan will....................end.

B. .... Of course... I'll very likely turn to what too many here do and find every excuse for Packer failure.

Realistically A. will not become a reality and therefore I won't ever need to stoop to B.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports...eam/806393001/

A very prominent 'wanna be Leader' south of my Canadian Border might say:

Fire DOUGHERTY ! FIRE his Ass.

How could a Green Bay Beat Writer ever publish such utter nonsense!?

It's somehow got to be a joke and he has a very dry sense of humour or PLEASE someone (anyone) call 911 as 'this Beat Writer' is in serious need of 'a Head Check'.