More Banjo: Week 9 vs. Detroit

[Pugger]

The articles have started. https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-unw...042255149.html

Unfortunately the author of this article is correct. We are unwatchable without #12 but I'm hoping this mess will force changes this offseason.

[Zool]

No DB can stick with a receiver when the QB has all day to sit in the pocket.

Our WRs have had issues getting separation for years but #12 is one of the few QBs alive who can throw guys open like he does. Is it the players or how they are coached the reason our guys are never open?

The double post route detailed by Chucky showed a lot. They seem to have a bunch set and run 2 guys off to clear a zone. If the third guy doesn’t beat his man, the play is lost. The WR either can’t get open on their own or something is amiss in the scheme.

[channtheman]

Stafford is an amazing player but what is with the defense? Can they get a stop at all? No pass rush, no coverage.

What's with the receivers and routes they run? I feel like our best receiver is the #3 in Detroit. I would take Golden Tate and Marvin Jones over all three of ours. Am I the only one?

Why are the Lion receivers always running free across the middle and our guys are super blanketed? WTF!

You have to be careful with the conclusions you draw about other teams offenses when you only see them play against the Packers D. We make average/bad QB's and WR's look like all stars.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I posted this a week or so ago. Now put it in the context of last night's game...

BRETT HUNDLEY

From 2015 NFL Draft Tracker:

Weaknesses
Hasn't shown an ability to win from the pocket yet. Protected by play action-based short passing game that held linebackers and cornerbacks at bay. Internal clock is a mess. Has marginal anticipation, and appears to be lacking in ability to read defenses and create a pre-snap plan. Slow getting through progressions, taking 125 sacks in three years. Inconsistent weight transfer on throws, which affects accuracy (throws sail) and velocity. Needs to reset feet when swiveling from side to side while scanning for next target. Gets crowded in pocket rather than sliding to open space. Short-arms too many throws. Ineffective, inaccurate passer outside of pocket with lowest completion percentage in Pac-12 when scrambling (32.6 percent). Misses opportunities to climb pocket while keeping eyes downfield rather than taking off as a runner.

Draft Projection Round 4 or 5

Sources Tell Us
"Someone will draft him, but I don't think he will ever be a starter. He can't read coverages and struggles to process. It is going to take a few years before he looks like a backup in my opinion. He has a long way to go." -- AFC area scout

NFL Comparison Jason Campbell

Bottom Line
Hundley flashes athleticism and talent, but his basic quarterbacking issues will take time to improve. In 2014, more than 54 percent of his pass attempts were from six yards and in, including 29 percent from behind the line of scrimmage, which is nothing like an NFL offense. Hundley is a "flash" prospect who shows the physical tools to be a starter, but his internal clock and issues with reads and progressions must be improved to give him a shot at becoming a decent NFL starter.

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 2m2 minutes ago
McCarthy on Hundley, continued: "He’s got what it takes. He has it in his body, he has it in his mind and he definitely has the heart."

Jason WildeVerified account @jasonjwilde 5m5 minutes ago
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy on Brett Hundley: "I have great faith in Brett Hundley. Brett Hundley is not our issue right now."

Stubby!!!...You gotta love him. LOL

[pbmax]

I buy that the early game plan was a bunch of easy throws to get the kid comfortable. The first drive was OK.

But the transition to whatever else was in the game plan was horrible until the 2 minute drive at the half.

And that 2 minute drive should tell M3 what his QB likes to do more than the first drive.

[mraynrand]

Is it the players or how they are coached the reason our guys are never open?

yes.

It may be that the offense became so tuned to Rodger's special skill set, that it's just going to take considerable time to adjust it for someone else. The Coaches obviously know this because they went to the dink and dunk game (as Maxi points out, because this is Hundley's 'strength'). But that path quickly died because the other team has a defense and adjusted. They're going to have to go to another plan with route combinations that get WRs open. Receivers are going to have to learn to compete for the ball instead of catching perfect back shoulder or sideline fades/combacks or getting third opportunity passes as they sit down in a zone or open spot vacated by defenders pursuing Rodgers avoiding the pass rush for 6 second.

If they can't improve O-line play so that they can run the ball and get real play-action opportunities, they are totally finished. The O-line was awful last night.

[pbmax]

Silverstein in JSO: http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...ons/837404001/

“They line up, motion, check, check,” cornerback Davon House said. “When we were in man or zero, they’d see what we were doing.

“They did a good job of self-scouting us. They did their homework, too.”

A defense like that needs a pass rush and its not getting it.

[Maxie the Taxi]

yes.

It may be that the offense became so tuned to Rodger's special skill set, that it's just going to take considerable time to adjust it for someone else. The Coaches obviously know this because they went to the dink and dunk game (as Maxi points out, because this is Hundley's 'strength'). But that path quickly died because the other team has a defense and adjusted. They're going to have to go to another plan with route combinations that get WRs open. Receivers are going to have to learn to compete for the ball instead of catching perfect back shoulder or sideline fades/combacks or getting third opportunity passes as they sit down in a zone or open spot vacated by defenders pursuing Rodgers avoiding the pass rush for 6 second.

If they can't improve O-line play so that they can run the ball and get real play-action opportunities, they are totally finished. The O-line was awful last night.

I really do think that Hundley has a problem avoiding the rush while keeping his eyes downfield. Arod is a master of this. Maybe Hundley will improve with experience. But right now, he's still a mess. How many times last night did Hundley scramble to buy time only to unload the ball to a receiver at or behind the line of scrimmage? Did Cobb, Nelson and Adams stop moving? Or was Hundley just unable to find them? I think it was the latter. Some QB's have a knack for it (Russell Wilson, Arod); some don't.

It's too bad we lost Taysom Hill. That kid had the knack. So does Callahan. Hundley not so much. And with our O-line, the QB extending plays and throwing downfield is a big part of our game.

Hundley is Packer people, a real quality lad. I think this plays a part in Stubby and company desperately wanting him to succeed.

[pbmax]

^ Hundley's scouting report may say he likes the short throws best. But he looked plenty willing to fire in the middle of the field during the 2 minute drills. Some of that may be the defense, but some of those plays were also against man coverage.

The problem was there wasn't anything else after the opening drive.

I do agree his biggest problem was re-setting after sensing pressure. He had one pocket where he could have jumped forward two steps to but time. Instead he bailed and lost Bulaga's protection.

[Maxie the Taxi]

^ Hundley's scouting report may say he likes the short throws best. But he looked plenty willing to fire in the middle of the field during the 2 minute drills. Some of that may be the defense, but some of those plays were also against man coverage.

The problem was there wasn't anything else after the opening drive.

I do agree his biggest problem was re-setting after sensing pressure. He had one pocket where he could have jumped forward two steps to but time. Instead he bailed and lost Bulaga's protection.

Old habits die hard. There was a reason he stuck around till the 5th round. Maybe TT felt that Stubby could drum some of his bad habits out of him and they'd found a diamond in the rough. We'll find out over the second half of the season 'cause I don't think they'll give up on him.

[Fritz]

Can MM let Hundley throw a pass down the field more than once or twice in a half?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Can MM let Hundley throw a pass down the field more than once or twice in a half?

Be careful what you wish for. LOL

[pbmax]

Wasn't all the coach's play calling: http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/f...93791587c.html

McCarthy's approach was curious as well. Much like the Saints game, Hundley was reduced to throwing short, safe passes, mostly screens and passes to the flat. Hundley said downfield passes were called but weren't available. Still, it wasn't until the second half that he completed a pass with a throw that carried 10 or more yards down the field, a big reason Green Bay was 2-for-9 on third-down conversions.

[Fritz]

Be careful what you wish for. LOL

At this point, Maxie, what's the difference? The defense is a sieve. Let's see what Hundley's got - or not got.

I'm really sour on this team, this defensive coordinator, and maybe even the HC. And beyond that, maybe TT's getting stale, too. I dunno. Maybe the ship will right to some extent, but that looked like a really lousy, unprepared effort given they were coming off a bye.

[Maxie the Taxi]

At this point, Maxie, what's the difference? The defense is a sieve. Let's see what Hundley's got - or not got.

I'm really sour on this team, this defensive coordinator, and maybe even the HC. And beyond that, maybe TT's getting stale, too. I dunno. Maybe the ship will right to some extent, but that looked like a really lousy, unprepared effort given they were coming off a bye.

I'm in the same boat as you believe me. I guess I'm just more sour on what Hundley's "not got." At this point I'd rather see Callahan play. At least it would make the game less boring.