Official Fire Dom Capers Thread

[Teamcheez1]

I am curious if this kind of Jekyll and Micah Hyde performance is indicative of teams without a superstar/blue-chipper/field-tilter in the old Cliff Christl vein.

Matthews is only occasionally his old self, Collins is gone as is Shields. The two guys most likely to be the hinge that the defense moves around, King and Jones, are injured and being forced to play back respectively. And both are rookies.

Perhaps the problem with drafting late and not hitting it out of the park in later rounds is that you are missing one big time All Pro around which you arrange your other, less imposing parts.

Or am I being Captain Obvious too?

There's probably some truth to this. Watching the Steelers/Ravens last night, it was very noticeable how much the Steelers missed Shazier at LB.

[pbmax]

There's probably some truth to this. Watching the Steelers/Ravens last night, it was very noticeable how much the Steelers missed Shazier at LB.

If I was a Steelers fan, I would want to know how you allow the Packers to score 28 with Shazier?

Wilde is taking the Browns game as evidence of the Packers true talent level without Rodgers (possibly not much better than the Browns) and regards the Steelers game as the exception.

Which is dumb. They both count. The head coach versus the Steelers had a better gameplan (and I did not mean simple aggressiveness, but an expectation for players to make a play) than he did for the Browns. When he opened it up in Cleveland, suddenly players were making plays, even Hundley.

[Joemailman]

If I was a Steelers fan, I would want to know how you allow the Packers to score 28 with Shazier?

Wilde is taking the Browns game as evidence of the Packers true talent level without Rodgers (possibly not much better than the Browns) and regards the Steelers game as the exception.

Which is dumb. They both count. The head coach versus the Steelers had a better gameplan (and I did not mean simple aggressiveness, but an expectation for players to make a play) than he did for the Browns. When he opened it up in Cleveland, suddenly players were making plays, even Hundley.

They do both count. MM said today the Browns game graded out as one of the worst of the season. I'm sure that was not the case with the Steelers game.

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Last five years Football Outsiders ranks (Defense/Offense)
2016 20/4
2015 9/11
2014 16/1 (I would contest this one as by the end of the year, see Seattle playoff game, the Defense was outplaying the Offense)
2013 31/9
2012 8/3

2 years the Defense was Top 10. Another year it was more than playing well enough to win in playoffs.

The consistent issue has been pass rush, made much worse by the loss of Shields.

i would say, CONSITANT pass rush

we're very hit or miss, either we get to the QB, or we get no pressure at all and the guy gets all day to throw

its not like the reggie white sean jones days when the pressure was gonna be there on almost every single play

gotta make QB's jumpy and think they're gonna get drilled on every single pass, not just 5% of the time or whatever it is

thats what i see with the pass rush

[Rutnstrut]

So when is what was accomplished in the past not enough to keep stubby off the hot seat?

[mraynrand]

i would say, CONSITANT pass rush

we're very hit or miss, either we get to the QB, or we get no pressure at all and the guy gets all day to throw

its not like the reggie white sean jones days when the pressure was gonna be there on almost every single play

gotta make QB's jumpy and think they're gonna get drilled on every single pass, not just 5% of the time or whatever it is

thats what i see with the pass rush

Sure, I think we'd all like to have the number one scoring defense in football like in 1996. Let's start here: Who is the current Reggie White, and how do the Packers acquire him?

[denverYooper]

Sure, I think we'd all like to have the number one scoring defense in football like in 1996. Let's start here: Who is the current Reggie White, and how do the Packers acquire him?

It would have to be JJ Watt, right? His main problem these days is he can't stay on the field.

[beveaux1]

So when is what was accomplished in the past not enough to keep stubby off the hot seat?

Realistically, it’s not anytime soon. He has coached for 11 years prior to this year. He’s made 9 playoff appearances using 2 different HOF type QBs, including 8 appearances in a row. His teams have had one season with a losing record (Rodgers first starting season). His teams have reached the NFC championship game 3 times and have reached the Super Bowl another time.

He was quoted once saying that he is a very successful NFL coach and that is really an understatement.

In GBP history, he is probably the third most successful coach of all time behind Lombardi and Lambeau.

My guess is that he will coach in Green Bay until he has at least 3 losing seasons in a row, or until TT is retired and Murphy has given the new GM carte blanche to hire his own head coach.

Capers, on the other hand, may not be as protected as McCarthy.

[beveaux1]

This is a pretty good article summing up this defense's problems.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/by-the-numbers/2017/12/13/16767202/packers-worst-situational-defense-in-nfl-dom-capers-2017

[Teamcheez1]

This is a pretty good article summing up this defense's problems.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/b...om-capers-2017

Shows you how the DVOA rankings don't add up to a lot when the game really matters.

[mraynrand]

This is a pretty good article summing up this defense's problems.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/b...om-capers-2017

the gist seems the defense has no outstanding playmakers, yet they are too good to be as bad as they are. But schematically, Capers should be able to overcome the shortfall in playmakers.

OK, fine. Now tell me how. They didn't give one example of what the Packers should do differently. They just asserted, with statistics, that they suck.

What's the answer? Just one example.

[Smidgeon]

the gist seems the defense has no outstanding playmakers, yet they are too good to be as bad as they are. But schematically, Capers should be able to overcome the shortfall in playmakers.

OK, fine. Now tell me how. They didn't give one example of what the Packers should do differently. They just asserted, with statistics, that they suck.

What's the answer? Just one example.

I'm not convinced the game has passed Capers by in terms of Xs and Os. I do wonder if the Packers defensive staff (top to bottom including Capers) is gifted enough at getting the players to play the Xs and Os they are supposed to (communication errors/breakdowns/etc). It's obviously not a practice time issue as every team has to play by the same CBA rules (except the Seahawks apparently).

EDIT: In other words, the Packers need a defensive staff (top to bottom) that is as skilled as the offensive staff at getting their players ready for Sunday.

[SMBASS]

#Packers defense is 32nd in RZ Scoring Efficiency... Allowing 100%

Coincidently, Packers finished 32nd in this last year... Allowing 95.6%

No team has allowed 100% in RZ Scoring since the 2008 Buccaneers...
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 14, 2017

[SMBASS]

#Packer DC Dom Capers regular season QB Rating allowed...

Least: 67.2 (2010)
Most: 95.9 (2013 & 2016)

This year... 98.2 QB Rating
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 13, 2017

[SMBASS]

Ben Fennell @BenFennell_NFL

Pass Plays of 10+yds Allowed...

1. JAX 83
2. PIT 93

31. TEN 139
32. GB 141

11:07 AM - Dec 6, 2017