Mark Murphy is as useless as a hind TIT

[Bretsky]

Sitting in on the interviews doesn't mean that he has decision-making power in the hire. It could easily mean that Murphy values MM's opinion and would take his views into consideration when making the decision. In fact I would be surprised if a sitting head coach were not part of the interview process. Who would be in a better position than the current HC to ask and respond to questions about the GM's personnel philosophy?

[Bretsky]

[QUOTE=woodbuck27;961812]It was clearly a 'cart before the horse' mess of a Process and demonstrated PANIC and Paranoia on behalf of Mike McCarthy and any possible influence on Mark Murphy is beyond senseless stupidity.

Mike McCarthy:

That backstabbing bullshit artist shouldn't be allowed to FIRE Good Men before it's time and no GM nor OC and DC aboard.

How many Packer Coaches did M3 through under the bus? His Coaching dismissals made little sense base on performance. He let good men go (again) without even attaining the OC and DC, as of this Sunday Evening. Why?












I have no idea what you are even talking about here. Who exactly did MM fire with no basis ? Dom Capers ? It's a head coaches job to analyze his staff and make changes as needed

DO YOU DENY the common perception that pretty much Everybody has that Mike Mccarthy has been way too loyal to coaches ? Special teams coaches ??? Defensive Coordinators

Do you deny that when MM tried to give up playcalling to his OC and it was a failure and when he took it back it pretty much saved our offense ?

And if Murphy let MM in the interviews, he Obviously valued his view.

IF you want to take shots at somebody for that it should be Murphy

[pbmax]

I will say this (and I'm down with the Kunst promotion), I about fell out of my chair when I first heard that M3 was sitting in on GM interviews. That makes no sense whatsoever and makes me think Murphy is in over his head on some of this.

I am not certain its been established that he did. It was a single sourced report that I saw.

[pbmax]

Maybe Murphy was mostly happy with how the front office runs and wants that consistency. Maybe it was time for some aged out guys to move on. Maybe they actually have a lot of respect for Stubby as coach, but see the need for improvement. I don't see the Shermanism at all. I don't see an organization that isn't working either. I see an organization that is largely competent, but 1) has natural need to move forward 2) respects the competence of organization and head coach. I find it difficult to believe that an organization that's been pilfered the way the Packers have been is in some kind of disarray. 3) I could be wrong.

He could have preferred staying internal. And I cannot produce any evidence that Gutekunst will be incompetent.

But there is no excuse to pick the brains of some smart people. Maybe he gets blown away by one he doesn't expect. Thinking you know the answer in advance is a dangerous mindset.

Even if Gute gets interviewed in Houston, he was one of several and they had time.

Shermanism in the way they extended a coach who has some flaws, and I am not convinced they are going to get fixed given he is the most senior person, without consulting their new GM. Especially so if McCarthy's PC pushed Murphy into avoiding a candidate he preferred due to differences in their background. Mike3 has enough on his plate, he doesn't need to play kingmaker.

[pbmax]

OK, seriously, last post just blasting everyone. Occasionally red has an observation*, and its so obvious you doubt the simple explanation for it because you have learned that things tend to be more complex than they appear from a superficial glance from a distance. Also because red is usually angry about it when he posts

But sometimes, like Lacy regaining the weight he lost right before camp, it becomes inescapable.

I believe Ted had suffered some decline after that surgery a few years back. Reading the tea leaves, it looks like he had either a longer than anticipated recovery or perhaps a set back or two, because he was out of contact for an extended period of time, long enough that people started to ask questions of the Packers. This message board is populated by folks who know from medical procedures, and occasionally surgery or other medical event takes a LOT out of you. I don't think this is conspiracy mongering, its just one possible explanation.

So the Packers may have had no choice but to let Ted go from a health and age perspective. They are not going to discuss this publicly. If true, it makes sense for Ted (if he has declined) and the team (Ted is a scout and if he's not scouting, his strengths are no longer brought to bear as much as GM).

But however the team adjusted during the intervening time from surgery to now, they seemed to regain their footing as people think Ted's last two drafts have been among his best. You could concoct a theory that Wolf the Younger (promoted), Gutekunst (promoted) and Ball (involved in some capacity by Ted) somehow helped Ted right the ship. The only specific thing I have seen is that Ball, literally everywhere, is being reported as working closely with Ted all the time and is viewed now as more of a protege than the other 5 guys who are or will be GMs from his staff (Schneider, Dorsey, Mckenzie, Wolf, Gute). The moaning about Ball following Ted's path on FA makes me think there must be something that connects the two besides job titles.

[pbmax]

Was it Ball that helped Ted resuscitate the draft board assembly and draft day decision making that seemed to fail the team for a while? Maybe. It could also be the vagaries of the draft itself. Ron Wolf may have said you need three starters each year from the draft, but Ron didn't hit that target each year either. There is also the question of analytics; Ted hired people to get up to speed and no one has heard from them again. Maybe Ball is running that squad, or maybe they left after one year. No one knows.

But we do know one thing: the person probably most favored to replace Ted was Schneider. Here is his highlighted accomplishments in Seattle from a Wilde article:

Since Schneider and Carroll took over in Seattle, the Seahawks made six playoff appearances total (5 in a terminated streak), won Super Bowl XLVIII after the 2013 season and lost Super Bowl XLIX after beating the Packers in that 2014 NFC title game. 2 NFC Conference championship games.

The guy getting replaced? Here is how his record looks:

Packers made 9 playoff appearances (8 in a row, now ended), won one Super Bowl, hit the NFC Championship game 4 times.

The rest of the NFL can tell us the Packers will be lucky to match, much less exceed Ted with Brian, John or anyone else. Even Ron Wolf.


*red may not have been the first to notice Ted looking wan and wilted after his surgery, but he has mentioned it frequently since. Apologies to posters and reporters who made note of it first

[pbmax]

Here is the formal paperwork on the end of an era:

Gutekunst becomes 10th person to hold title of general manager for Packers

The Green Bay Packers have named Brian Gutekunst general manager and Russ Ball executive vice president/director of football operations. The promotions were announced Monday by President and Chief Executive Officer Mark Murphy.

“We could not be more excited to elevate Brian to the position of general manager,” said Murphy. “He has earned this opportunity throughout his 19 years with the Packers, proving to not only be a skilled talent evaluator, but a trusted and collaborative leader. His time under the direction of former Packers general managers Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson will undoubtedly serve him well as we work toward our next Super Bowl championship. I am confident that he is the man that will help get us there.”

“First, I’d like to thank my mentor, Ted Thompson, for his friendship, and I am happy that we will continue to have the chance to work together,” Gutekunst said. “I want to thank Ron Wolf for giving me my first opportunity with the Packers, and of course Mark Murphy for the faith and trust he has placed in me moving forward. And finally, I must thank my wife, Jen, and our children for their constant sacrifice and unwavering support despite all of the time I have spent on the road and away from home. I look forward to getting to work with the rest of our talented personnel department and using every avenue available to build the Packers into a championship team again.”

Gutekunst (GOO-tuh-kunst), the 10th person to hold the title of general manager for the Packers, will have complete control over all roster decisions, including the NFL draft and free agency, while leading Green Bay’s scouting department. Ball will continue to manage the Packers’ salary cap and serve as the chief contract negotiator while continuing to oversee several areas in football operations.

“Since joining the Packers in 2008, Russ has proven to be invaluable,” said Murphy. “His salary-cap management and negotiating abilities are well known, but he has also provided tremendous leadership throughout football operations and served as a valuable liaison between the football and business sides of the organization. His diverse skills will remain important to our success moving forward, and I look forward to working with him even more closely in his new role.”

Additionally, Murphy announced a change in the Packers’ organizational structure as Gutekunst, Ball and Head Coach Mike McCarthy will all report directly to Murphy.

“The process of identifying our next general manager gave us the opportunity to analyze our entire football operation,” said Murphy. “While we have enjoyed a lot of success, we need to improve. With that in mind, the head coach, general manager and executive vice president/director of football operations will report to me moving forward. While I understand this is a departure from the Packers’ current structure, it will serve to increase the breadth and frequency of communication and collaboration. Ultimately, it will make the Packers better.”

Gutekunst, who is entering his 20th season with the organization, has spent the past two seasons as the director of player personnel after serving as the director of college scouting for four years. He previously worked 11 seasons as a college scout in the Southeast region. Prior to that, Gutekunst served as a scout for the East Coast region from 1999-2000. Before joining the Packers full-time, he was a scouting assistant for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1998, a scouting intern for Green Bay in the summer of 1997 and assisted the New Orleans Saints’ coaching staff in training camp in 1995.

Gutekunst played football for two years at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse and served as an assistant coach during his final two years at the school (1995-96) after a shoulder injury cut short his playing career. In 1995, he coached the linebackers as the Eagles finished 14-0 and won the Division III national championship.

Ball enters his 30th season in the NFL and 11th season in Green Bay. Since joining the Packers in 2008, he has worked in the role of the vice president of football administration/player finance. Prior to coming to Green Bay, Ball spent six seasons (2002-07) with the New Orleans Saints, serving as senior football administrator for four seasons and as vice president of football administration for the final two years. In 2001, he was the director of football administration for the Washington Redskins. From 1999-2000, Ball served as senior football administrator for the Minnesota Vikings. He began working in the NFL with the Kansas City Chiefs, where he spent 10 seasons (1989-98), the final two in football operations as administrative assistant to then-head coach Marty Schottenheimer. He began his career with the Chiefs as an assistant strength and conditioning coach.

A 1981 graduate of Central Missouri State, Ball was a four-year letterman at center for the Mules. He served as head strength and conditioning coach at the University of Missouri from 1982-89 and earned his master’s degree from Missouri in 1990.


Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...#ixzz53cXrDKnM

[mraynrand]

All that speculation aside:

I know someone needed to be appointed Packer GM, ASAP. Why !?

For as it was going; to handcuff MM adding any more embarrassment to Packer Nation, and his 'Run Away Train Hatchet Run'.

Mike McCarthy, is 'out of control'

M3's a too obvious, back stabbing, two faced bullshit artist. You never turn you back on anyone like Mike McCarthy.

Gotta love Woody throwing aside speculation to get to his unvarnished, indisputable opinion-as-fact. You go, girl!

[gbgary]

Murphy ignited a lot of twitter talk about how everyone reports to him now. not so much about Gute but MM. someone asked what MM's talks would be about and he answered "game plans, asst coaches," etc. the thought of MM discussing game plans with him threw up red flags with all the covering media. Nagler thought it harkens back to Starrs regime and having to report such things to the board. i don't MM would ever agree to that. i blew off the remark to Murphy not being an accomplished speaker and just panicking lol.
what does the rat nest think?

[pbmax]

Murphy ignited a lot of twitter talk about how everyone reports to him now. not so much about Gute but MM. someone asked what MM's talks would be about and he answered "game plans, asst coaches," etc. the thought of MM discussing game plans with him threw up red flags with all the covering media. Nagler thought it harkens back to Starrs regime and having to report such things to the board. i don't MM would ever agree to that. i blew off the remark to Murphy not being an accomplished speaker and just panicking lol.
what does the rats next think?

I think it shows he has no idea what the head coach might talk to his superior about.

And to me the means he has not thought about it, but agreed to it to assuage McCathy's concerns about not having input on personnel. Its a half assed plan he is not ready to implement. My baseline assumption is that the communication issues Murphy heard were:

1. Doesn't respond to coaches looking for veteran help
2. Doesn't listen to pro personnel about FA suggestions

[Pugger]

Gotta love Woody throwing aside speculation to get to his unvarnished, indisputable opinion-as-fact. You go, girl!

Woody is a girl???

[woodbuck27]

Deleted for REASON.

[woodbuck27]

Deleted for REASON.

[woodbuck27]

https://www.totalpackers.com/2018/01/mark-murphy-mangles-momentous-moment/

MARK MURPHY MANGLES MOMENTOUS MOMENT

01/03/2018

[gbgary]

interesting article/opinion. (above)

are red flags being readied to be pulled from their sheaths?