More Banjo: Week 13 vs. Tampa

[channtheman]

Hundley has started 6 games. 4 at home. 2 on the road.

His stats at home: 72-121, 655, 0 TD, 4 INT, Passer Rating 60.6

His stats on the road: 35-51, 457, 4 TD, 0 INT, Passer Rating 122.7.

Good news for next week? Is he feeling the pressure more at home?

No he sucks and had 1 fluky game against the Steelers in which they decided not to cover receivers 30 yard downfield and Hundley simply hit the guy who was so wide open the underthrown passes still lead to TD's. Oh yeah and a 50 yard screen for a TD.

[ThunderDan]

Hundley couldn’t have done that today. Missed wide open Allison for a touchdown and Adams which would have been a 1st down.

[Pugger]

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
The #Packers’ third-and-1 pass to Nelson late in the fourth quarter before the tying field goal was a run/pass option, McCarthy said. Hundley saw an empty pressure coming and chose the pass option.


So question is, was he right?

How close was that and why didn't we try to challenge it?

[texaspackerbacker]

No he sucks and had 1 fluky game against the Steelers in which they decided not to cover receivers 30 yard downfield and Hundley simply hit the guy who was so wide open the underthrown passes still lead to TD's. Oh yeah and a 50 yard screen for a TD.

This was the fluky game, not playing well against the Steelers. The kid has been a slightly above average NFL starting QB IMO. He's no Aaron Rodgers, but then nobody is.

It seems to me that most of the boos from fans were for McCarthy's play calling, not Hundley.

For the anti-Capers crowd: It's the personnel, not the scheming that's the problem. The Packers D just can't stop everything; There has to be a large element of guessing and trickery. I think the first Tampa TD drive was an example of trying to play it straight up with little or no scheming - and that sure didn't go well.

I'm as big a critic as anybody of our O Line, but they were generally less crappy than usual. You don't have a running game like that without at least a little bit of decent blocking, even though Williams got a lot on his own, and Jones got zilch from line blocking on that last TD run.

I suspect part of the reason for Matthews doing so well and Perry doing little or nothing is that Perry is now getting the attention Matthews used to get blocking-wise.

We finally found an adequate ILB in Martinez; Ryan isn't, and Thomas played like crap in that game. Our OLBs, on the other hand, all of them, are shaping up to be pretty decent. What I'd like to see is pair Matthews with Martinez at ILB, and go with Perry, Fackrell, Brooks, and Biegel at OLB.

All our DBs other than Randall didn't even rise to the level of mediocrity yesterday.

Our pass receivers have been exposed as only seeming so good because of Aaron Rodgers. Nelson and Cobb simply can't get open on their own, and Adams, while the best of the bunch now, still is below average for the league, and the TEs are horrible.

Just the same, the future is fairly bright. Assuming we can get by the Browns, and Rodgers will be his old self, going 10-6 is very realistic. Seeing him there with Williams and Jones as RB options is nice to think about. I analyzed the schedule, and there's a good chance 10-6 will get us in, what with so many other wild card contenders playing each other or playing top teams.

[mraynrand]

It's hard to evaluate a lot from this game outside Hundley. Are the WRs and TEs any good? Who knows, the QB can't throw the ball anywhere near them. In the second half, the offense had three 3 and outs and didn't get a first down until 5 minutes left in the game. So the defense sucks because it gives up 10 points against that? The defense surrendered 20 points, but scored 6, for a 14 point net. But the DBs sucked? What, are they supposed to pitch a shut out? Even Minnesota's defense, ranked second in points allowed gives up 17 points per game.

With a decent QB performance, this game would have never been in doubt. With Rodgers, it would have been a laugher and people would have been napping through a 45-10 fourth quarter.

[Pugger]

This was the fluky game, not playing well against the Steelers. The kid has been a slightly above average NFL starting QB IMO. He's no Aaron Rodgers, but then nobody is.

It seems to me that most of the boos from fans were for McCarthy's play calling, not Hundley.

For the anti-Capers crowd: It's the personnel, not the scheming that's the problem. The Packers D just can't stop everything; There has to be a large element of guessing and trickery. I think the first Tampa TD drive was an example of trying to play it straight up with little or no scheming - and that sure didn't go well.

I'm as big a critic as anybody of our O Line, but they were generally less crappy than usual. You don't have a running game like that without at least a little bit of decent blocking, even though Williams got a lot on his own, and Jones got zilch from line blocking on that last TD run.

I suspect part of the reason for Matthews doing so well and Perry doing little or nothing is that Perry is now getting the attention Matthews used to get blocking-wise.

We finally found an adequate ILB in Martinez; Ryan isn't, and Thomas played like crap in that game. Our OLBs, on the other hand, all of them, are shaping up to be pretty decent. What I'd like to see is pair Matthews with Martinez at ILB, and go with Perry, Fackrell, Brooks, and Biegel at OLB.

All our DBs other than Randall didn't even rise to the level of mediocrity yesterday.

Our pass receivers have been exposed as only seeming so good because of Aaron Rodgers. Nelson and Cobb simply can't get open on their own, and Adams, while the best of the bunch now, still is below average for the league, and the TEs are horrible.

Just the same, the future is fairly bright. Assuming we can get by the Browns, and Rodgers will be his old self, going 10-6 is very realistic. Seeing him there with Williams and Jones as RB options is nice to think about. I analyzed the schedule, and there's a good chance 10-6 will get us in, what with so many other wild card contenders playing each other or playing top teams.

It is difficult to access our WRs because the QB we are stuck with right now often can't hit the broad side of a barn. I don't care if aren't in the playoff hunt once Rodgers is good to go. I have seen enough of Hundley, that's for sure.

[ThunderDan]

This was the fluky game, not playing well against the Steelers. The kid has been a slightly above average NFL starting QB IMO. He's no Aaron Rodgers, but then nobody is.

Thanks for the Monday morning laugh!

Hundley is a slightly above average NFL starting QB.

Look, I was hoping he would develop and figured it would take 4-6 weeks to get him up to speed. I thought the Pittsburg game was the turning point. But now sandwiched between Bal and TB, the Pitt game is the outlier.

[ThunderDan]

It seems to me that most of the boos from fans were for McCarthy's play calling, not Hundley.

I agree but MM had a firm grasp on what his QB was able to do on Sunday. He wouldn't throw a 10 yard crossing route because it was going to be incomplete. We ran read option and no passes more than 5 yards down field in FG drive and TD in OT. No one trusts Hundley right now. MM wont open up the playbook because Hundley can't execute it right now.

[mraynrand]

I agree but MM had a firm grasp on what his QB was able to do on Sunday. He wouldn't throw a 10 yard crossing route because it was going to be incomplete. We ran read option and no passes more than 5 yards down field in FG drive and TD in OT. No one trusts Hundley right now. MM wont open up the playbook because Hundley can't execute it right now.

this is on the money. The fans were booing the suckitude. The inability to connect with open receivers isn't hidden. Hundley isn't an average starting QB - he's a marginal backup, only occasionally NOMINAL!

[hoosier]

The giant disappointment that is Hundely does not reflect well on McCarthy, and his QB guru reputation is going to take a hit as a result. One cannot always make chicken salad out of chicken shit, but you would at least expect McCarthy to have known what he had in the new guy before he gets thrown in the fire.

[pbmax]

The giant disappointment that is Hundely does not reflect well on McCarthy, and his QB guru reputation is going to take a hit as a result. One cannot always make chicken salad out of chicken shit, but you would at least expect McCarthy to have known what he had in the new guy before he gets thrown in the fire.

I agree completely. Though I count on him less for recognition of talent and more on development. The fact that this is Year 3 is the damming part.

I am down to about 15% chance of Hundley developing some sort of functional game. But its going to be running a Kaepernick offense and not Rodgers/M3 WCO.

Which is why CK should have a job and why SPRIGGS WATCH will return next week because we need a return on that investment of talent. Sorry maxie.

Talent is paramount.

[Maxie the Taxi]

The giant disappointment that is Hundely does not reflect well on McCarthy, and his QB guru reputation is going to take a hit as a result. One cannot always make chicken salad out of chicken shit, but you would at least expect McCarthy to have known what he had in the new guy before he gets thrown in the fire.

Agreed. I kind of figured Hundley for what he is and felt Stubby was taking a huge gamble that Arod wouldn't go down like he did. That feeling was mitigated by Hundley's ability to run the ball. I figured if Arod did go down our best chance to win was letting Hundley use his legs. But apparently Stubby put the kibosh on that fearing Hundley would get hurt and, apparently, having no confidence at all in Callahan. Hundley used his legs against Tampa and it paid off. Either Stubby wanted him to or he did it on his own. I don't know.

No matter how you slice it TT and Stubby own this season. I don't even give them a pass because of injuries. All teams in the NFL suffer injuries [or losses due to suspensions, etc] to key players. How coaches and management deal with it is on them.

As fans, we can bitch and moan and put in our two cents with hindsight allowed. But management and the HC have to make real decisions and live with them...and bear the consequences.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Which is why CK should have a job and why SPRIGGS WATCH will return next week because we need a return on that investment of talent. Sorry maxie.

Talent is paramount.

Really, my only objection was that I found myself reading too much and not focusing on the game. LOL I vote for a brief summation.

Maybe I'm just getting old and the old hand-eye coordination is going...

[beveaux1]

Hundley is what he is - a marginal back up NFL QB. He started the season with minimal experience in the NFL. Against back ups and vanilla defenses he looked great his first preseason playing roughly half the time in 4 preseason games. He was injured his 2nd preseason and played in one game throwing for 67 yards. This year he again played about half the time and was very average.

People on this board thought he was worth a high draft pick in trade value based on his first preseason, having never started an NFL game. Realistically, he may have been worth a 4th round pick if he never started. Unfortunately, he now has starting experience and has gone 2-5 playing 6 3/4 games. He is worth nothing on the open market, but he still has value to the Packers. He is probably the 2nd best backup Rodgers has ever had and has a chance to progress to be the best backup in the Rodgers era because he has the ability to run the read option.

There is a decent chance he could end up 3-5 after the Browns game as a starter. Truth is that a good backup on a good team can play .500 ball with the starter sidelined for a short duration. I believe that would be his ceiling, to play .500 ball as a short duration backup on a good team. He is not a starter in my opinion. I don't believe he would be as good as Geno Smith if he became a starter. I don't believe he would be as good as Josh McCown or Ryan Fitzpatrick if he became a starter. I do think he could back up Rodgers for a few years and he would be much better than Tolzien, Wallace, Young, Harrell, or Brohm. That gives him value in my opinion.

[beveaux1]

I also don't think of Hundley's progression as an indictment to MM and TT. Hundley is a 5th round pick that was taken to be Rodgers' backup. I never heard any coach say that he was drafted to be Rodgers' successor. It was only after one good preseason that some fans felt that Rodgers could be traded and Hundley could be installed as the starter. Truth is, Hundley has progressed to where the team can win games with him as a starter. He is beginning to reach his potential even with the accuracy issues and the rest of his limitations.