More Banjo: Week 14 @ Cleveland

[woodbuck27]

What have you been watching these past few weeks???

Reality. He's a fricken 'Hot Head'. I'm not a Damarious Randall Fan. I don't like how he plays his position. He has the back of his head to the ball too often to defend passes. I watch him a lot. The Green Bay Packers NO. 23 has a lot to learn and defending. ie look at this photo and where the ball is and where Damarious Randall's head is. At least on this play he got his head back around to try to locate the ball when over the top too often he doesn't turn his head to the pass play and locate the ball and defend.

Do we blame that on Coaching?



Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon, Packers cornerback Damarious Randall exchange insults on Twitter
Published: December 11, 2017 - 10:47 AM | Updated: December 11, 2017 - 12:27 PM

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/browns/browns-wide-receiver-josh-gordon-packers-cornerback-damarious-randall-exchange-insults-on-twitter

[mraynrand]

^^^ That's pretty good veteran technique. Head is turned to the ball, so refs let a lot of hand-checking and contact go. He's got a hold on Gordon's arm enough to hinder the catch. Well done, D-man!

But I agree that he's immature. But he's come a long way from where he was earlier this season.

[ThunderDan]

Funny how stats can work out that way sometimes.

Is that the summation of your posts in this thread or a response to the above?

[hoosier]

I'll have to go back to the DVR and look at the entire play but its possible no one picked up on the Crow at all.

However I think his QB had to notice it after he rolled the other way. Be an odd play to roll right to the hash mark then throw a deep wheel route to the opposite sideline. Pretty sure Kizer wanted Gordon on the right first.

I am not putting it past the D backfield to lose a guy out of the backfield, I am just saying this is not evidence of a beyond salvation defense.

It was at least partially a zone coverage and Josh Jones was in the area that Crowell passed through on his way up the sideline. But the TE was also in that zone and Jones had to pick one. When Kizer came off his first read and got in trouble, Jones (correctly, I would guess) went with the guy who was running the short out, which would have been an easier thrown for Kizer to make as he was scrambling to his left and backpeddling. Crowell at that point came wide open but I'm not sure even ARod could have made that throw.

[channtheman]

I think that part of it is that Rodgers beats really shitty teams instead of just tying them in regulation time.

Pretty much. Rodgers doesn't get a 4th quarter comeback against the Browns cause he doesn't need one.

[pbmax]

OK, back with the DVR and the Browns game, first drive of OT. Its 3rd and 1 and the entire play design and Packer defense are set for a short yardage play.

Browns in 11 personnel I believe (definitely 1 back) and they show balanced formation (2 receivers outside each tackle) out of huddle but quickly motion to four man bunch on (Defense's) right. Packers are in single high safety with Jones and Burnett in slot, Randall and Hawkins outside and HaHa deep.

Looks like man and they are doing the zone to matchup man thing deal with the bunch with Jones and Hawkins hanging back to take last man or deep outside route. Burnett is pressing the receiver on the LOS. Randall is one on one with Gordon.

At the snap Kizer looks immediately to left for Gordon on the slant but Randall is bumping him and in his front pocket, not trailing, making a slant throw a problem. Kizer cannot wait a moment because Matthews has pushed the RT into Kizer. He steps OUTSIDE to give himself a new throwing lane (still looking for Gordon) because Matthews is there with an upraised arm to get in the slant throwing lane.

This backfires because Matthews is still there and picks off Daniels blocker as Daniels runs to meet Kizer outside. That forces Kizer to retreat back toward the middle. That brings Ryan into the backfield because he has no near him to cover. The TE/WR (81) route in the middle is with Burnett.

Ponch, Burnett, Jones and Hawkins are dealing with the four receivers on the other side. But Kizer bailing outside on Matthew first rush brings Dix up on the left to help Randall who is the obvious target and then to chase Kizer. This leaves no one deep, which is a fine call for a short play designed to convert 3rd and 1, but is a terrible design to stop two deep routes on an extended play that we are about to have.

Nice veteran play by Brooks who hangs back on his rush in case that bunch went bubble screen. He either intercepts it or plants someone in the turf. When RB and TE both head outside, he rushes.

If you want proof the play is for Gordon, the backside receivers not only don't get a look, but the curl is covered, Jones is on the flat the TE is running but the RB (uncovered) is running a flat as well, two steps in front of the TE. As Kizer first breaks the pockets, all Browns receivers head are looking for the ball to come out.

Jon and Pinch are playing zone and patrolling the first down line. It was a good defensive call for this play BUT someone did blow coverage on the RB as they don't need five interior defenders with 3 out of 5 receivers running outside routes.

[pbmax]

Literally next frame is Ryan, Daniels and Matthews 1.5 steps from Kizer with no blockers. He is looking left and does seem to see the RB who has covered his duplicate flat route to a wheel route and is headed deep with no coverage and no deep safety.

This is a play where even a quick sack is a coverage sack because the Packers took away their first two choices with a nice defensive call.

But the extended play has caught someone out of position and revealed a blown coverage. Ponch is dropping into a zone to make a slant hard, checks the inside receiver (Burnett is there) and does not see the RB headed to the flat. He either missed a call or the player unless his job was strictly short zone and Ha Ha had ultimate deep responsibility. Seems kinda weird not to cover a RB on a 3rd and 1 short route though. Brooks seems to sense action the other way as mentioned before but he also may have made a flat throw to the right harder by being in the pass lane. Nice play.

Kizer by now is DEFINITELY looking for the deep play because he waves someone deep. From the sideline it looks like he sees Crow, but from the end zone cam (both of them) it looks like he is set to throw the middle route that Burnett was on (and was behind by a step when it went deep). But by the time gets to his windup, Matthews is on him again, having avoided the blockers who re-entered the play when Kizer wisely went back into the pocket.

Kizer is throwing going backward off his back foot at the 19. If Matthews had not touched him, it was still going to be a wild ass throw. Hard to say but Burnett did fall down when 81 ran back to the throw. Depending on where Kizer puts that throw, Burnett might have had a much better play on it. After he throws, 81 and Burnett are past the 50, meaning its likely got to be a 40+ yard throw. When the ball was throw, Burnett and 81 were on the Packers 44 when they turned around. 81 had a nice elbow to get loose of MB.

[Maxie the Taxi]

It was at least partially a zone coverage and Josh Jones was in the area that Crowell passed through on his way up the sideline. But the TE was also in that zone and Jones had to pick one. When Kizer came off his first read and got in trouble, Jones (correctly, I would guess) went with the guy who was running the short out, which would have been an easier thrown for Kizer to make as he was scrambling to his left and backpeddling. Crowell at that point came wide open but I'm not sure even ARod could have made that throw.

Maybe Cam Newton?

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Devin-Funchess-18-yard-TD-catch/6a8b5211-8844-4674-9e96-00b832821644

[Harlan Huckleby]

Literally next frame is Ryan, Daniels and Matthews 1.5 steps from Kizer with no blockers.

This close to rolling out the the Zapruder tape.