Vic Fangio

[mraynrand]

Capers schemes are stale and easily schemed against, he needs to be gone, he is not developing talent he can only scheme the already talented.

The Raven's defense gave up more yards and points to the Steelers than the Packers even though they are thought by many to have better defensive players. Are their schemes stale and easily game-planned against?

[Fritz]

Every time someone brings up Vic Fangio, I think of Foge Fazio, that glorious bastard defensive coordinator for the Vikings. Ah well, he's unavailable.

I think of Jerry Burns. Now this guy could throw you under the bus and fire you up at the same time!

[mraynrand]

I bet in his final years Burns got hammered a lot and yelled at the TV at the old coaches’ Home.

[George Cumby]

I think of Jerry Burns. Now this guy could throw you under the bus and fire you up at the same time!

Beat me to it. Love that clip.

[George Cumby]

I bet in his final years Burns got hammered a lot and yelled at the TV at the old coaches’ Home.

I’d like to think he puttered around his garden speaking quietly and sweetly to his peonies.

[mraynrand]

I’d like to think he puttered around his garden speaking quietly and sweetly to his peonies.

it would ruin me to see that - or him nuzzling his little cat Pookie.

[woodbuck27]

Well if there is one pattern, it's that the Packers are consistently better on D by the end of the year than the beginning. You can't put a lot of stock in the cumulative ranking, I would value 3rd down stop ratio in the playoffs and last 4 weeks of the regular season. If those are good, he stays. If they're bad, he goes. My guess is they'll still be bad despite the pattern I perceive of improved play.

Would not object to John Fox as DC at all.

Next Season I expect our Key Packer Brass will be:

TT and MM and Dom Capers.

Bet on that. I'll be surprized if I'm mistaken.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Pass on Bears sloppy seconds. I'd rather have Dennis Thurman.

[Rutnstrut]

Pass on Bears sloppy seconds.

Yeah because the Panthers/Texans sloppy seconds is doing such a bang up job in GB.

[Iron Mike]

I bet in his final years Burns got hammered a lot and yelled at the TV at the old coaches’ Home.

That's nowhere near as hardcore as Verne Gagne giving a nursing home resident a suplex and killing him....

http://www.startribune.com/gagne-case-death-ruled-a-homicide/40326907/

[mraynrand]

That's nowhere near as hardcore as Verne Gagne giving a nursing home resident a suplex and killing him....

http://www.startribune.com/gagne-cas...cide/40326907/

crazy story. And it got me confused for a while because Verne Gagne's son Greg Gagne is also a wrestler, and Greg Gagne (not the son) was also a Twins shortstop around the time the son was a wrestler. Too many Gagnes!

[bobblehead]

Well if there is one pattern, it's that the Packers are consistently better on D by the end of the year than the beginning. You can't put a lot of stock in the cumulative ranking, I would value 3rd down stop ratio in the playoffs and last 4 weeks of the regular season. If those are good, he stays. If they're bad, he goes. My guess is they'll still be bad despite the pattern I perceive of improved play.

Would not object to John Fox as DC at all.

This d this year has gotten worse as the season goes. The browns had scored on something like 2 of 30 drives coming in. I think they got TDs first 2 drives.

[bobblehead]

I know Jim Leonard is still raw, but get him while we can and we have an opening.

[pbmax]

This d this year has gotten worse as the season goes. The browns had scored on something like 2 of 30 drives coming in. I think they got TDs first 2 drives.

The lack of King and House hurts a lot. Its a mess + Randall in coverage at this point. And Jones is making rookie mistakes backing them up as a starting safety.

[pbmax]

This is what defense looks like when you cannot defend the pass or rush the passer.

I think they need to trade for Joe Thomas AND the Browns #1 pick next year for Jeff Janis and Brice.