DOUGHERTY....."HOW COULD THE PACKERS LET HYDE AND HAYWARD GET AWAY "

[Bretsky]

Hyde would not be a starting safety on the Packers. Does anyone remember watching him?

stating Hyde is better than Dix as a fact IMO was a big stretch.

I'd like to wait another year or two to see if that is right

Hayward...we have guys paid...and that included the coaching staff, to make sure this does not occur

We just f'cked up royally on that one

[Bretsky]

If they had been able to perform at a high enough level to begin with, perhaps they wouldn't have drafted Randall and Rollins back to back in 2015, but they did, so unless you're going to pay everyone back there, someone's gotta go[/B]. It just sucks that the Packers haven't been able to keep some of the replacements healthy enough to keep developing.

It's kind of their job to forecast who is going to be players and who is not. I don't know what happened with Hayward but they DESERVE criticism there.
Had they made the right call mayb we draft a pass rusher or two

[Pugger]

stating Hyde is better than Dix as a fact IMO was a big stretch.

I'd like to wait another year or two to see if that is right

Hayward...we have guys paid...and that included the coaching staff, to make sure this does not occur

We just f'cked up royally on that one

Dix had just finished playing so well that he was voted 2nd team All-Pro. I don't recall people wringing their hands over losing Hyde for the $$ the Bills paid him. Unfortunately Ha Ha had a down year and Hyde played well for Buffalo. This is quite the convenient hindsight article.

[woodbuck27]

Dix had just finished playing so well that he was voted 2nd team All-Pro. I don't recall people wringing their hands over losing Hyde for the $$ the Bills paid him. Unfortunately Ha Ha had a down year and Hyde played well for Buffalo. This is quite the convenient hindsight article.

You missed your calling as 'a Star' Trial Defense Lawyer.

[Bossman641]

I'll say this for Packerrats. Members here do an absolutely tremendous job of defending every move that Packer GM Ted Thompson makes or doesn't make. At Packerrats Ted Thompson is Packer Nation GOD.

TT has messed up plenty but this article is a stretch. Hindsight is always 20/20.

[Carolina_Packer]

It's kind of their job to forecast who is going to be players and who is not. I don't know what happened with Hayward but they DESERVE criticism there.
Had they made the right call mayb we draft a pass rusher or two

A reasonable point. If TT signs Hayward in 2016, and stays put in the first round last year, that pick could have become T.J. Watt. Obviously, at this point, the Packers need a young pass rusher with his arrow pointing up. No disrespect to Biegel, who could be something, or Fackrell, who may have a higher ceiling, but so far has had modest returns, T.J. Watt was lined up to be the obvious choice, had Green Bay either signed Hayward the year before or signed a free agent CB last off-season and not had to wait out the development cycle of King, who got hurt anyway, which unfortunately seems to be a Packer thing.

[mraynrand]

A reasonable point. If TT signs Hayward in 2016, and stays put in the first round last year, that pick could have become T.J. Watt. Obviously, at this point, the Packers need a young pass rusher with his arrow pointing up. No disrespect to Biegel, who could be something, or Fackrell, who may have a higher ceiling, but so far has had modest returns, T.J. Watt was lined up to be the obvious choice, had Green Bay either signed Hayward the year before or signed a free agent CB last off-season and not had to wait out the development cycle of King, who got hurt anyway, which unfortunately seems to be a Packer thing.

Sure, but Hayward could have blown out his hammy again. Plus they sign him and then they don't have cash for Bennett. Where would they be then?

[Bretsky]

TT has messed up plenty but this article is a stretch. Hindsight is always 20/20.

agree with you....especially on Hyde...but with that being said, I'd tend to agree with Woody's point

[Bretsky]

Sure, but Hayward could have blown out his hammy again. Plus they sign him and then they don't have cash for Bennett. Where would they be then?

Green Bay would have still had funds for Bennett ...........who .....fwiw.....I was happy about.....but I was wrong.

[Bretsky]

A reasonable point. If TT signs Hayward in 2016, and stays put in the first round last year, that pick could have become T.J. Watt. Obviously, at this point, the Packers need a young pass rusher with his arrow pointing up. No disrespect to Biegel, who could be something, or Fackrell, who may have a higher ceiling, but so far has had modest returns, T.J. Watt was lined up to be the obvious choice, had Green Bay either signed Hayward the year before or signed a free agent CB last off-season and not had to wait out the development cycle of King, who got hurt anyway, which unfortunately seems to be a Packer thing.

[Pugger]

Sure, but Hayward could have blown out his hammy again. Plus they sign him and then they don't have cash for Bennett. Where would they be then?

We would have kept Cook instead of Bennett?

When we let Hayward go we had a safety who was just voted 2nd team All-Pro, Randall and Rollins looked promising and Sam Shields hadn't had that concussion yet so losing Casey didn't seem like a huge deal at the time.

[pbmax]

We have to be realistic about Hayward's level here. I expect Pro Bowl votes, but is he going to be an All Pro? Even 2nd team? I don't think so, but I've been wrong before.

So I don''t think he proved to be all world, but he did prove his rookie year was no fluke and he was probably better than House for Packers comparison.

But at the time, he wasn't going to be #1 with Shields on the team and he might not have been #2 with questions about being able to handle full time duties on the outside (that could very much be a coaching/scheme decision). So he's a#3 CB (possibly #2) at $5 mil per season with 2 young players. He wasn't let go because no one saw his talent, he was let go because he was no sure thing at that price.

It paid off handsomely for the Chargers and their scheme. Its not always going to work out for the Packers.

But this is another good example of Ted and Dom not being able to find common ground on talent.