Turd Ferguson

[mraynrand]

Do they have any more shit to lose?

I'm not a CK fan, but there's no way I believe that he isn't possibly better than a significant number of QBs currently in the NFL.

He went from starter to pariah with no chance of redemption in 2.5 seconds. Obviously he didn't help himself, and the knee was only part of it, but I don't believe that a league that kept Tebow around for a year as a punt protector couldn't find a way he could help a team.

Kap can still reasonably play. But the dude may have tanked the whole league. Even stadiums with good teams in the playoff hunt were sometimes only 80% full. That plus the concussions, the soccer mom society, the tanking cable packages, and the league is finished in a few decades. Kap represents that tanking to ownership. Who the hell wants that around?

[mraynrand]

Thinking I’m a moderator is an insult to the mods. Or maybe it’s an insult to me. *shrug*

[mraynrand]

It's a combination of things on the offense. Hundley isn't very good, now he isn't terrible. He is not a starting QB in the NFL. Can he hold down the fort for a couple of games? Sure. I think Packer fans had this expectation that he was the next Aaron Rodgers waiting behind Favre, and those were ridiculous expectations that were given legs by McCarthy himself. I never thought he looked great in the preseason. He looked like a young backup. He was highly regarded talent going into his last year of college football. Some scouts hand him ranked as first to second round prospect. The fact that he fell to the 5th round speaks volumes about his overall talent as a QB. When it comes to Hundley the talent just isn't their to be a winning qb in the NFL.

The second contributing factor is that the Packers offensive line had it's struggles along the offensive line with injury. Injuries forced very raw players to play at key positions, and they got hurt. Hundley struggled to rely on protection from this group on a consistent basis which effected his ability to stay in the pocket, recognize his reads, and set his feet to make accurate throws.

The other issue was that the Packers receiving corps and tight ends are not as good as some thought. Nelson is not an elite receiver that makes his QB better, its the opposite. He is a good receiver that is made to look outstanding by Aaron Rodgers. Cobb was a star that burned out a bit early and makes too much damn money. The Packers have one elite receiver and that is Adams. He demonstrated that he is elite regardless who is tossing the football.

It is a bad combination of talent and events that led to Hundley's poor production. It is a shock to the system to Packer fan based on what type of production they have been used to.

Not to mention the collapse of the TE position.

But most scouts had Hundley around 4-5. And I'd bet for every scout that had him 1-2, there were 3 who had him 7-FA.

The problem with Hundley wasn't that he didn't measure up to Rodgers, it was that he couldn't run a pro offense. He couldn't run the Packer offense, and the coaches could barely put together a game plan to win using his limited talents. The extent of the drop off from Rodgers is on the coaching staff and GM.

[Zool]

It's a combination of things on the offense. Hundley isn't very good, now he isn't terrible. He is not a starting QB in the NFL. Can he hold down the fort for a couple of games? Sure. I think Packer fans had this expectation that he was the next Aaron Rodgers waiting behind Favre, and those were ridiculous expectations that were given legs by McCarthy himself. I never thought he looked great in the preseason. He looked like a young backup. He was highly regarded talent going into his last year of college football. Some scouts hand him ranked as first to second round prospect. The fact that he fell to the 5th round speaks volumes about his overall talent as a QB. When it comes to Hundley the talent just isn't their to be a winning qb in the NFL.

The second contributing factor is that the Packers offensive line had it's struggles along the offensive line with injury. Injuries forced very raw players to play at key positions, and they got hurt. Hundley struggled to rely on protection from this group on a consistent basis which effected his ability to stay in the pocket, recognize his reads, and set his feet to make accurate throws.

The other issue was that the Packers receiving corps and tight ends are not as good as some thought. Nelson is not an elite receiver that makes his QB better, its the opposite. He is a good receiver that is made to look outstanding by Aaron Rodgers. Cobb was a star that burned out a bit early and makes too much damn money. The Packers have one elite receiver and that is Adams. He demonstrated that he is elite regardless who is tossing the football.

It is a bad combination of talent and events that led to Hundley's poor production. It is a shock to the system to Packer fan based on what type of production they have been used to.

I didn’t expect him to be a world beater but he was close to a dumpster fire. He’s terribly inaccurate and he freaks out when his first 2 reads aren’t open. He can’t make a throw farther than 10 yards down field.

[3irty1]

Kap can still reasonably play. But the dude may have tanked the whole league. Even stadiums with good teams in the playoff hunt were sometimes only 80% full. That plus the concussions, the soccer mom society, the tanking cable packages, and the league is finished in a few decades. Kap represents that tanking to ownership. Who the hell wants that around?

This season in particular has the character of a season of Survivor. Not Survivor when it was new, but a few seasons in when the strategy developed for the JAGs to gang up on anyone who was likeable, useful, or interesting and eliminate them first. I never saw a season of survivor beyond the first so if that's not accurate I apologize. I'm stealing this analogy from a bartender. Anyways this season everyone good or interesting got hurt leaving the healthy JV teams and their small-ball to inherit the league.