MIKE MCCARTHY ISN’T FOND OF RUSS BALL

[pbmax]

If Jerry Jones' son can learn to draft, I am going to guess that Ball can.

[Bretsky]

Yes, but you are used to Ron and Ted making the call in the draft room. Russ could put BG or EW in charge of the draft, or have them choose the consensus pick and have Russ give final thumbs up.

I don't think success in the draft comes from being a scout who is in charge. Its valuing the picks, knowing that none of them is 100% guaranteed and listening to the right scouts on the player evaluations.

This job, I THOUGHT.....was an elite NFL Job for a GM

If we hire a cappie it will be a sad state and maybe to be frank I was wrong and elite candidates don't want to be here

[Bretsky]

It would. Which is why there are usually disaster stories when this happens across the league. People can't keep quiet when their (correct) analysis is ignored.

I'm guessing that was not an issue with TT, that he set the board fairly based on the scouts' inputs. Otherwise they'd be running to greener pastures long ago.

Bingo

[pbmax]

the first thing Highsmith said after being hired by Dorsey was how nice it will be to be someplace where he would be trusted. that was your Senior Personnel Executive talking there.

High smith was climbing up the charts in GB. He was trusted plenty.

[pbmax]

It would. Which is why there are usually disaster stories when this happens across the league. People can't keep quiet when their (correct) analysis is ignored.

I'm guessing that was not an issue with TT, that he set the board fairly based on the scouts' inputs. Otherwise they'd be running to greener pastures long ago.

They don't stay quiet if you are losing. There are suddenly a lot of leaks in GB, though most seem to be from the exec board.

[gbgary]

High smith was climbing up the charts in GB. He was trusted plenty.

just tellin ya what he said.

[denverYooper]

Maybe a great scout would make a shitty GM. I like to eat, that doesn’t make me a world class chef.

This happens in other professions all of the time. In my own experience, a number of strong engineers and scientists have made shitty managers.

In TT's case, I believe he was very good at scouting talent AND a good people manager, even if not particularly warm with the public.

[Rastak]

just tellin ya what he said.

He did sound a bit bitter...

[esoxx]

https://www.totalpackers.com/2018/01...ond-russ-ball/

MIKE MCCARTHY ISN’T FOND OF RUSS BALL .... 01/05/2018

" ... Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy has known director of player finance Russ Ball since 1993. In years past, McCarthy has praised Ball and talked about what a great general manager he would make.

Things have apparently soured in that relationship. Former Packers beat writer Bob McGinn wrote a lengthy piece on Friday detailing the relationship. In it, he suggests that if Ball is hired as the Packers’ general manager, McCarthy may consider leaving the Packers. ... "

Comment woodbuck27:

How many Rings are in this Circus?

Well, we can put this rumor to bed with McCarthy's reported agreement to bring back Joe Philbin and the hiring of WR coach "Jeff Hostetler". M3 isn't going to be bringing guys in and then hauling off and resigning b/c he doesn't like Cappie Russ as GM choice. That would mean Philbin & Hoss would both be in limbo and a new coach in all likelihood would pick his own staff, as he should. McCarthy would be ridiculed in such a scenario. No way that's happening.

[woodbuck27]

Well, we can put this rumor to bed with McCarthy's reported agreement to bring back Joe Philbin and the hiring of WR coach "Jeff Hostetler". M3 isn't going to be bringing guys in and then hauling off and resigning b/c he doesn't like Cappie Russ as GM choice. That would mean Philbin & Hoss would both be in limbo and a new coach in all likelihood would pick his own staff, as he should. McCarthy would be ridiculed in such a scenario. No way that's happening.

MM isn't going anywhere, at least, for another Season.

[Zool]

This happens in other professions all of the time. In my own experience, a number of strong engineers and scientists have made shitty managers.

In TT's case, I believe he was very good at scouting talent AND a good people manager, even if not particularly warm with the public.

Same. Tons of engineers move into management and suck horribly. If Ball can get smart people around him and make sound decisions, he’d be awesome. Most football people have such singular confidence in themselves that it can blind them to other ideas.

[esoxx]

MM isn't going anywhere at least for another Season.

" McCarthy's reported agreement to bring back Joe Philbin and the hiring of WR coach "Jeff Hostetler"..." esoxx

Jeff Hostetler? I'm not seeing anything yet and a 'Jeff Hostetler' connection to Green Bay.

Just a play on words/names. New WR coach Jim Hostler's name reminds of ol' hoss Jeff Hostetler from the NYG. Possibly the worst starting QB to win a SB BTW.

[woodbuck27]

It would. Which is why there are usually disaster stories when this happens across the league. People can't keep quiet when their (correct) analysis is ignored.

I'm guessing that was not an issue with TT, that he set the board fairly based on the scouts' inputs. Otherwise they'd be running to greener pastures long ago.

We have (for whatever were their personal reasons) lost four good 'Front Office' Executives under TT's Tenure as Packer GM.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000819535/article/packers-ceo-we-want-ted-thompson-to-remain-gm

" ..The Packers have watched both John Schneider and Reggie McKenzie leave Green Bay for successful GM assignments with Seattle and Oakland, respectively. It's fair to wonder if the team would eventually aim to promote well-respected director of football operations Eliot Wolf, but those plans are on hold for now." "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dorsey_(American_football)

John Dorsey

Green Bay Packers (2000–2011) - Director of College Scouting.

Green Bay Packers (2012) - Director of Football Operations.

Add Alonzo Highsmith.

[Joemailman]

High smith was climbing up the charts in GB. He was trusted plenty.

By Thompson apparently. I'm assuming his comments were aimed at someone else. Murphy? Ball?

[Bretsky]

Well, we can put this rumor to bed with McCarthy's reported agreement to bring back Joe Philbin and the hiring of WR coach "Jeff Hostetler". M3 isn't going to be bringing guys in and then hauling off and resigning b/c he doesn't like Cappie Russ as GM choice. That would mean Philbin & Hoss would both be in limbo and a new coach in all likelihood would pick his own staff, as he should. McCarthy would be ridiculed in such a scenario. No way that's happening.

AGREE