Triangle of Authority is Here

[Smidgeon]

Doesn't Andy Reid report to the owner too? Was he hired before or after Dorsey? I guess that's irrelevant now because in its current iteration, KC operates like Seattle. Not sure if Reid has roster say so or if he's just a voice in the room to add to the decision maker.

[Fritz]

Well, at least I'm prepared if it all goes into the shitter. I lived through the Forrest Gregg years.

[George Cumby]

Well, at least I'm prepared if it all goes into the shitter. I lived through the Forrest Gregg years.

Those years shaped and scarred many of us.

[mraynrand]

Well, at least I'm prepared if it all goes into the shitter. I lived through the Forrest Gregg years.

"you saw it."

[MadScientist]

Gute not having the authority to fire the HC is bad. This could workout badly if all these people going directly to Murphy undermines the GM. On the other hand, it sounds like there were some internal communications issues in the Packers. It's possible that TT compartmentalized the coaching from the scouting from the finances causing friction and a sense of people not being trusted. Opening up those lines could make things a whole lot better.

Hope for the latter, be prepared to fire Murphy in case of the former.

[Teamcheez1]

We are on day one of the new hire and management structure and this entire board is turning into a bunch of hand-wringing old ladies.

[mraynrand]

Gute not having the authority to fire the HC is bad. This could workout badly if all these people going directly to Murphy undermines the GM. On the other hand, it sounds like there were some internal communications issues in the Packers. It's possible that TT compartmentalized the coaching from the scouting from the finances causing friction and a sense of people not being trusted. Opening up those lines could make things a whole lot better.

Hope for the latter, be prepared to fire Murphy in case of the former.

I suppose the worst case scenario is BG going to Murphy at the end of next season and saying "We need to fire Stubby" If Murphy says no, BG would have no choice but to resign. And that's when the org would start to turn into Cleveland, where anyone coming in would wonder about their authority.

My guess is that the contract extension and the change in power structure was made to protect Stubby from looking like a lame duck coach for one year. Regardless, Stubby, much like Sherman, looks like he's on shaky ground, so that recruiting coaches are going to wonder if they are just going to be in town for a year.

Of course, there is the possibility that the change in power structure is meant to strengthen Stubby's position and power overall (like an actual promotion), so that he can guarantee multiple years. Perhaps this is an alternate view of why Stubby is turning over coaches - not because he was forced to, but because he has guarantees and can take the chance of reorganizing. Still, if guys get sacked after one bad year with the MVP injured, then anything goes. (After writing that, I feel less sure about any of it ).

Bottom line for me is that I feel like I have no way of knowing where the power resides, except of course with Murphy. If I were an interviewing coach, especially the DC, I would insist on meeting with Murphy to ask what the hell is going on.

[3irty1]

Seems like Ted was the Otto Von Bismarck of this org in that he was the centerpiece of a diplomatic sausage machine that only he could run. He served the function that alcohol plays at family gatherings. Got a complaint? Take it into Ted's lair. Which is pitch black except for the 4" TV ted watches film on that illuminates his head like a disembodied ghost. The floor covered in empty water bottles and discarded college basketball film. You go in there and tell him what you need but find it hard to do so with the passion you felt before you crossed the threshold. Ted nods and tells you "we'll get it cleaned up" and stares at something else.

Its too bad he had a stroke and came to work with a lunchbox full of paint chips or whatever. That was the perfect system.

[mraynrand]

We are on day one of the new hire and management structure and this entire board is turning into a bunch of hand-wringing old ladies.

Not so much hand-wringing I think. Rather that the new power structure invites speculation, don't you agree?

[mraynrand]

Seems like Ted was the Otto Von Bismarck of this org in that he was the centerpiece of a diplomatic sausage machine that only he could run. He served the function that alcohol plays at family gatherings. Got a complaint? Take it into Ted's lair. Which is pitch black except for the 4" TV ted watches film on that illuminates his head like a disembodied ghost. The floor covered in empty water bottles and discarded college basketball film. You go in there and tell him what you need but find it hard to do so with the passion you felt before you crossed the threshold. Ted nods and tells you "we'll get it cleaned up" and stares at something else.

Its too bad he had a stroke and came to work with a lunchbox full of paint chips or whatever. That was the perfect system.

holy hell. This is more confusing than the new power structure.

[pbmax]

We are on day one of the new hire and management structure and this entire board is turning into a bunch of hand-wringing old ladies.

I liked Gutekunst at the press conference. I can get on board with him. He was nervous but stepped in fewer holes than Murphy. I like him especially if he is able to land Wolf the younger for another year or two or gets McCloughan to be super utility scout.

And everyone will get a honeymoon period in the first FA go through.

So they have a year to get it turned around. The next question comes quickly though: there is no Teryl Austin at DC and I think the prospects for Fangio are low. I have heard of no other candidates. if Mike hires Whitt or Perry, how good does his next year need to be to sign him up again?

If you are the new GM, how much rope do you give McCarthy? Young guy might want to select his own coach if Murphy will let him.

[pbmax]

Doesn't Andy Reid report to the owner too? Was he hired before or after Dorsey? I guess that's irrelevant now because in its current iteration, KC operates like Seattle. Not sure if Reid has roster say so or if he's just a voice in the room to add to the decision maker.

Reid was hired before Dorsey. But when he left, the new GM was supposed to have been given final roster authority.

I don't know if Reid still reports to the owner though. it might mirror the Packers now.

[pbmax]

Seems like Ted was the Otto Von Bismarck of this org in that he was the centerpiece of a diplomatic sausage machine that only he could run. He served the function that alcohol plays at family gatherings. Got a complaint? Take it into Ted's lair. Which is pitch black except for the 4" TV ted watches film on that illuminates his head like a disembodied ghost. The floor covered in empty water bottles and discarded college basketball film. You go in there and tell him what you need but find it hard to do so with the passion you felt before you crossed the threshold. Ted nods and tells you "we'll get it cleaned up" and stares at something else.

Its too bad he had a stroke and came to work with a lunchbox full of paint chips or whatever. That was the perfect system.

I am OK with this as long as he isn't storing his urine indoors as well.

#Hughes

[mraynrand]

if Mike hires Whitt or Perry, how good does his next year need to be to sign him up again?

The defense needs to be significantly improved. APRH (meaning 3-4 starters aren't lost for most of the season), they better be in the top 10 defenses, especially if BG brings in say a top FA pass rusher.

Packers need to be competitive in the NFC Championship game to protect Stubby - that's what I'd tell Murphy if I were BG. I will get him the players, but he'd better produce.

[3irty1]

I hope once MM moves on, the triangle can be disbanded and Gutekunst can run the team. But moving Ball's job parallel with the GM seems to make that unlikely too. I just can't fathom why its good to have a money guy that can tell the other members of the triangle of authority no.