Report: Gruden adds ex-Packers offensive coordinator Edgar Bennett to staff.

[pbmax]

The proof was in the puddin. Without Rodgers the offense was exposed as practically useless. Not sure how much stronger of an indictment you need against an "OC" than an offense that fell apart: couldn't communicate, operate, or produce. Time for Edgar to make his own way and stop sucking off Rodger's tit.

Happened in 2013 too. Clements got sacked after the next season I believe.

I think the problem runs deeper than the OC.

[mraynrand]

Happened in 2013 too. Clements got sacked after the next season I believe.

I think the problem runs deeper than the OC.

I agree, but I don't think it's a problem - except when Rodgers gets hurt long-term.

Several have argued that the problem is the offense is tuned to Rodger's special talents. That's good - it should be. What needs to happen is better preparation for Rodgers to be hurt or gone. Clearly Stubby threw people under the bus for not being prepared. Well, he's the next to go under if this ever happens again. Well, maybe Murphy goes first, but it doesn't matter - if things are so bad that Murphy doesn't survive, neither will Stubby. So they better solve the Rodgers-less problem. Question is - can they do it without restructuring the Rodgers-led offensive scheme itself, or does the whole thing need an overhaul? I think the latter - Stubby needs to recraft the offense this offseason. Bring in a solid backup vet and rework the whole thing so it works for Rodgers and the vet.

[pbmax]

I don't know what the backup pool looks like for doing Rodgers version of the offense.

The question is can they construct a subset of the base offense (if it exists) for the backup. McCarthy never settled on one approach with BH.

[beveaux1]

It’s important to note that this offense is fine-tuned to Rodger’s abilities. If the offense is changed to make it a more generic offense, chances are that it won’t function as well for Rodgers. I’m not sure I would want a less effective offense so that a backup could function more effectively if he had to take over.

[pbmax]

It’s important to note that this offense is fine-tuned to Rodger’s abilities. If the offense is changed to make it a more generic offense, chances are that it won’t function as well for Rodgers. I’m not sure I would want a less effective offense so that a backup could function more effectively if he had to take over.

I agree with this, but also want to note that without some more basic functionality, like beating man coverage when the DBs are better athletes than your receivers save Davante, its a huge risk to assume your mobile QB will live long enough for someone to come uncovered eventually.

Given the nature of the offense, its surprising Rodgers hasn't been hurt more.

[denverYooper]

I agree with this, but also want to note that without some more basic functionality, like beating man coverage when the DBs are better athletes than your receivers save Davante, its a huge risk to assume your mobile QB will live long enough for someone to come uncovered eventually.

Given the nature of the offense, its surprising Rodgers hasn't been hurt more.

I am hoping the emergence of Williams and Jones and the return of Montgomery causes them to re-work the offense in a way that will be less risky to Rodgers's long term health.

But I dunno. I'm afraid part of it is just how Rodgers likes to roll.

[mraynrand]

I am hoping the emergence of Williams and Jones and the return of Montgomery causes them to re-work the offense in a way that will be less risky to Rodgers's long term health.

But I dunno. I'm afraid part of it is just how Rodgers likes to roll.

It's the big play/safe play threshold. They always want the TD play, and waiting for it kills the check down it seems - or there is no check down designed in. When the offense had 4-5 legit receiving targets, Rodgers could usually identify the target before the snap or had enough confidence to throw it to where Jennings of Nelson should be (e.g. Jennings after he broke down the defense over the middle and Nelson to back shoulder). Mix in a WR screen and a draw and you've got an offense that Rodgers can run. Add Lacy and you can straight up run as an option.

As the receivers dwindled in skill level, and when Lacy became ineffective, there's no run threat and the receivers can be jammed or doubled (Adams), and the pass plays became extended. Rodgers dancing around and Bacteria and other linemen extending blocks still worked enough to win. Linemen start getting hurt, Rodgers goes out, and the whole thing falls apart.

Fortunately, they still had Adams - until he got taken out - and some decent running backs. But that's not enough with an inaccurate passer and your other receiving options being Aged Jordy, Slow Cobb, Oven Mitts, Traitor Bennett and Injured Monty.

[pbmax]

Get a Jennings in around 2 and I think things look much different.

#carrythisteamonhisback

[SkinBasket]

Happened in 2013 too. Clements got sacked after the next season I believe.

I think the problem runs deeper than the OC.

Well, we can all say that, but a coach rising through the ranks to the position of offensive coordinator had a chance to show he could coordinate an offense, not just rely on the superstar QB. Edgar didn’t do that. Thus his departure with little hand wringing. A true candidate for the next level would have distinguished himself, not shit himself.

[pbmax]

I think its fair to conclude that Edgar got Peter Principled.

[Fritz]

The proof was in the puddin. Without Rodgers the offense was exposed as practically useless. Not sure how much stronger of an indictment you need against an "OC" than an offense that fell apart: couldn't communicate, operate, or produce. Time for Mike to make his own way and stop sucking off Rodger's tit.

Fixed it for you.