Rodgers not real confident in changes.

[Joemailman]

All the world wanted McCarthy to clean house until he let four coaches go and then he was scapegoating. Same complaints after 2008. McGinn was aghast no one appeared in the press room to explain themselves. I think he came close to predicting McCarthy would have trouble securing quality assistants after that betrayal.

As usual, he was full of it. It doesn't make the new hires better, but it was still probably time.

I like the swap of Capers for Pettine most. I like Montgomery on the D line next. Like the Patriots guy they got for the LBs. I am nervous but hopeful about Whitt as DB coach/pass game coordinator. He could solve the issues or he could prove to be part of the problem.

The offensive changes look like treading water to me. Maybe Philbin had a magic effect before. But honestly the best news is that he is rebuilding his offense from the playbook up.

I think he's upgraded both coordinator positions. It's probably the best situation there they've had since Capers' early years here. Quite a bit has been made of Rodgers not being happy with the QB coach change. But there's not really much evidence that Van Pelt was a good QB coach. Rodgers had uncharacteristic bad stretches in 2015 and 2016, And Hundley looked unprepared in 2017. Just because a coach is popular with his players doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach.

[Pugger]

I think he's upgraded both coordinator positions. It's probably the best situation there they've had since Capers' early years here. Quite a bit has been made of Rodgers not being happy with the QB coach change. But there's not really much evidence that Van Pelt was a good QB coach. Rodgers had uncharacteristic bad stretches in 2015 and 2016, And Hundley looked unprepared in 2017. Just because a coach is popular with his players doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach.

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[Bretsky]

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[Fritz]

I think he's upgraded both coordinator positions. It's probably the best situation there they've had since Capers' early years here. Quite a bit has been made of Rodgers not being happy with the QB coach change. But there's not really much evidence that Van Pelt was a good QB coach. Rodgers had uncharacteristic bad stretches in 2015 and 2016, And Hundley looked unprepared in 2017. Just because a coach is popular with his players doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach.

I don't care if Van Pelt is a really good coach; I care that the most important employee in the whole franchise is happy. Hell, if Rodgers said he wanted his QB coach to blow him, I'd offer up any of a number of Packerrats who think they know all to take the position.

[pbmax]

I think he's upgraded both coordinator positions. It's probably the best situation there they've had since Capers' early years here. Quite a bit has been made of Rodgers not being happy with the QB coach change. But there's not really much evidence that Van Pelt was a good QB coach. Rodgers had uncharacteristic bad stretches in 2015 and 2016, And Hundley looked unprepared in 2017. Just because a coach is popular with his players doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach.

The problems, which have been growing since 2011 on offense, definitely extend beyond the QB coach. I think they extend beyond the offensive coordinator but as I don't actually know the precise impact of the OC under McCarthy (other than installing a practice plan during the week and planning meetings) I can't be sure about this one.

Its not going to be fixed by the coordinator. The Head Coach is going to have to allow his offense to change significantly. From the no huddle and tempo to throwing behind the LOS, changes made in the last six years have been a pretty mixed bag and have only partially staved off a decline. As a body of work, its hard to complain. But as an Offense dominant team, its not been enough.

I know I am beginning to sound like wist, but go back and watch the playoff game versus the 49ers in Green Bay. It wasn't the defense that failed to deliver (though they had a spectacular fail at the end). It was the offense failing to make mincemeat out of a good defense.

[Pugger]

I don't care if Van Pelt is a really good coach; I care that the most important employee in the whole franchise is happy. Hell, if Rodgers said he wanted his QB coach to blow him, I'd offer up any of a number of Packerrats who think they know all to take the position.

I want the most important employee in the whole franchise to play up to his considerable abilities and not put himself in peril so we don't have a repeat of 2017. Even the best players need good coaching.

[Fritz]

I agree, but I want the dude to be a happy camper, lest he think about playing on the west coast...

[Pugger]

I agree, but I want the dude to be a happy camper, lest he think about playing on the west coast...

The only way he plays on the west coast is if we release him or trade him. If we start winning again Rodgers isn't going to pine for Van Pelt so much.

[Fritz]

You don't think he might not play out his contract here and hit the open market? Imagine how large that franchise tag would get the second time around...at some point, he could break the team's neck.

[Pugger]

You don't think he might not play out his contract here and hit the open market? Imagine how large that franchise tag would get the second time around...at some point, he could break the team's neck.

No I don't. Unless his play goes to hell we'll tag him first. QBs with his talents don't grow on trees. Of course if we draft his replacement like Ted did in 2005 we'll trade him and not let him walk and get nothing in return.

[bobblehead]

The problems, which have been growing since 2011 on offense, definitely extend beyond the QB coach. I think they extend beyond the offensive coordinator but as I don't actually know the precise impact of the OC under McCarthy (other than installing a practice plan during the week and planning meetings) I can't be sure about this one.

Its not going to be fixed by the coordinator. The Head Coach is going to have to allow his offense to change significantly. From the no huddle and tempo to throwing behind the LOS, changes made in the last six years have been a pretty mixed bag and have only partially staved off a decline. As a body of work, its hard to complain. But as an Offense dominant team, its not been enough.

I know I am beginning to sound like wist, but go back and watch the playoff game versus the 49ers in Green Bay. It wasn't the defense that failed to deliver (though they had a spectacular fail at the end). It was the offense failing to make mincemeat out of a good defense.

I agree this has to happen. The game is fluid and there is a reason coaches don't last real long. They get set in their ways and the game adjusts around them. Only the very best manage to change with it. The MM offense is stale and hasn't changed a bit. They have the perfect RB for todays game in Montgomery, but he spent most his time pass blocking cuz "thats the way I've always done it"

[Pugger]

Montgomery might not be hearty enough to play RB. He can't stay healthy so perhaps with the emergence of Jones and Williams we can move Ty back to WR?

When executed correctly with AR at the helm McCarthy's offense is fine. My beef - besides AR not throwing to his backs enough - is why can't our WRs get separation while other teams' pedestrian guys can? I'm hoping our new WR coach can fix some of these issues so Aaron doesn't have to hold onto the ball forever while scrambling around back there putting himself in peril.

[bobblehead]

Montgomery might not be hearty enough to play RB. He can't stay healthy so perhaps with the emergence of Jones and Williams we can move Ty back to WR?

When executed correctly with AR at the helm McCarthy's offense is fine. My beef - besides AR not throwing to his backs enough - is why can't our WRs get separation while other teams' pedestrian guys can? I'm hoping our new WR coach can fix some of these issues so Aaron doesn't have to hold onto the ball forever while scrambling around back there putting himself in peril.

Your talking about the jones and williams that both got hurt as well right? Now days in the NFL you need a stable.

[Rutnstrut]

Your talking about the jones and williams that both got hurt as well right? Now days in the NFL you need a stable.

As long as Monty isn't part of that stable. I have said from the start of the Monty experiment, he can't cut it as a full time RB. Hell as little as stubby utilizes RB's Monty should be able to stay healthy no problem. Since he can't, get rid of him and bring someone like Blount in.

[Fritz]

You don't need a stable of running backs, you need a herd.