McCarthy Has To Go

[pbmax]

I admire him. I think he was a very good coach and earned the Super Bowl trophy he held aloft. I think he is held up to ridicule for the wrong reasons and not given his due.

But 10+ years might be too long. We have entered the phase of self delusion. He is six weeks from becoming Herm Edwards or Jon Gruden. Even if this year is a success, I don't want him signed to a new deal.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
McCarthy said he’s “sick and tired of his defense being a step-child. This is a team game. Great defenses win championships.” Said he wants defense to have that attitude.

He is an emotional Sherman-esque wreck at this point. Needs to move on. Will be glad to have him back for his induction into the Packer Hall of Fame.

[pbmax]

I'll give McGinn and Florio their due: it does sorta seem that Mike wanted Ted to sign some FAs.

[red]

thats rich

he's blaming everyone but himself. he's shitting on the defense (and rightfully so), but who kept capers around for so long

many fans had seen that the capers d had become a joke, it didn't just fall apart this year, its been that way for a few years now, and he did nothing about it until murphy decided it was time to clean house, and the fans finally started bitching loud enough for fat ass to here that he had to to something

no he's gone on this campaign of blaming everyone in the organization but himself for not getting back to the super bowl

[pbmax]

I think he thinks that Capers was not at fault. That they were missing parts and Capers did the best he could.

Last year's lost season was a convenient time to let him go and start anew. But it doesn't mean that McCarthy believes he had any role in the demise of the defense.

And I think that is the generous interpretation of what he is saying. The other version is that 31st ranked pass D is the best you can expect in a down year. Which is just throwing in the towel on one side of the ball.

I really think he is done.

[Pugger]

So, pbmax, who do you suggest we hire to replace him in 2019 (or this season if the team falls apart)?

[Vincenzo]

thats rich

he's blaming everyone but himself. he's shitting on the defense (and rightfully so), but who kept capers around for so long

many fans had seen that the capers d had become a joke, it didn't just fall apart this year, its been that way for a few years now, and he did nothing about it until murphy decided it was time to clean house, and the fans finally started bitching loud enough for fat ass to here that he had to to something

no he's gone on this campaign of blaming everyone in the organization but himself for not getting back to the super bowl

McCarthy has one year left as the Packer Coach, it's that simple. The writing is on the wall. The fans are restless and the team is overdue for a change at the head coach position.

[pbmax]

So, pbmax, who do you suggest we hire to replace him in 2019 (or this season if the team falls apart)?

Sean McVay or Doug Pedersen

I am not actually sure. Two guys who I thought would do well were Mike McCoy and Adam Gase. Gase is stuck without a QB in Miami and might work out eventually, but McCoy has been bounced twice and that ship might have already sunk.

I do not want McDaniels. He has Eliot Wolf, Boy Wonder written all over him.

I would have to go back over the list of candidates from this year and see if anyone else pops out. I prefer to Hot Assistant route rather than retread with a different message/focus. My hope is the Packers commit to whoever it is and make sure they get better.

McCarthy did for awhile, but I just get the sense that he has settled into his ways and has decided others let him down. I hope I am wrong and eating crow next offseason, but there seem to be worrying signs with McCarthy unleashed this offseason.

[pbmax]

In the context of the story written for McCarthy's Combine PC, I think its better? I haven't watched the video yet, but I believe he was asked about why he thinks the defense needs to be better than the offense, or if he feels thats a realistic goal. He is trying to change the mindset of the defense, I guess?

INDIANAPOLIS – Mike McCarthy understands the long-held perception of his team. The Green Bay Packers' roster has a natural hierarchy: There is Aaron Rodgers, and there has been everyone else.

In an offseason of wide-sweeping change in Green Bay, McCarthy would like to chuck that notion. His messaging started not long after the season when, in a news conference announcing defensive coordinator Dom Capers’ firing, McCarthy said he expects the Packers' defense to be better than their offense. If you found that goal a little startling, you weren’t alone.

As McCarthy explained Wednesday at the NFL scouting combine, it was an attempt to rewire his defense’s mindset.

“It’s got to be a mentality,” McCarthy said. “I’m sick and tired of our defense feeling like the stepchild. I mean, how many times do you have to tell them, ‘You’re not the stepchild'? That’s a blatant statement, and it’s not a cure-all. But it’s definitely a starting point.”

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/02/28/mike-mccarthy-packers-defense-youre-not-stepchild/382717002/

The problem is that most of this sounds like soundbites, not a plan. But I also don't expect him to reveal the plan at the Combine. So my concern stays the same, he isn't obviously invested in what makes a defense consistently good, he is interested in changing the mission statement, apparently.

He also said defense wins Championships, after a Super Bowl won 51-50 or thereabouts. I thought getting Thompson out of there would relieve the pressure of McCarthy being the spokesperson for the team. I wish he would stop.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Highly successful NFL coaches are good trade baits. Why not trade McCarthy for some draft picks? Plenty of bottom dwellers would love to have McCarthy coach them. Trade McCarthy to the Browns, a team that's becoming Green Bay east.

I know everyone and their baby mamas think J-Mac is a donkey-hole. But I honestly believe A-Rod would be even better in J-Mac's offense. Cobb is in a contract year, but he'd be a 100+ catch receiver with J-Mac calling the plays.

[Fritz]

"McCarthy Has To Go"

I picture BabyMikey holding his weiner and squirming like a four-year-old boy.

Seriously, though, I think that short-term MM may be positioning himself (given reasonable team health and good Rodgers health) for a deep run next season - some new coaching blood, probably some FA's, likely 12 draft picks added to the mix.

My fear is that BabyM will parlay that into a long-term contract extension, and then we're going to see the drip drip drip downfall of the Green Bay Packers. Back to wandering in the desert for another twenty-some years. It'll be like 1973 - 1992 all over again.

[Joemailman]

I think he thinks that Capers was not at fault. That they were missing parts and Capers did the best he could.

Last year's lost season was a convenient time to let him go and start anew. But it doesn't mean that McCarthy believes he had any role in the demise of the defense.

And I think that is the generous interpretation of what he is saying. The other version is that 31st ranked pass D is the best you can expect in a down year. Which is just throwing in the towel on one side of the ball.

I really think he is done.

Totally disagree. I had the sense late in the year, judging from MM's post-game press conferences, that he had finally had it with Capers. I think it started with the loss at Pittsburgh when Hundley had the game of his life but the defense got torched. I would have been shocked if Capers hadn't been fired, based on what MM was saying, and not saying. When he made his "patterns of negativity" comment, I knew Capers was done.

[Fritz]

If we really want to see history replayed, MM will be fired in two years after signing a long-term extension next year, and GuttyKlumps will first hire Brian Whatsis, the Notre Dame coach, then will fire him after his dog gets shot and will hire Brent Favre to bring back the glory days.

[wist43]

McCarthy doesn't need to go... he was only the problem inasmuch as he tolerated Capers for far, far too long.

Had we hired a competent DC 5-6 years ago we would have won at least one more title in that timeframe.

The problem has always been defense and TT's weird preference for soft CB's who have a knack for the INT, but pretty much suck at everything else. That and his bizarre lack of interest in the ILB position.

It'll be interesting to see what Pettine can do.

[pbmax]

Totally disagree. I had the sense late in the year, judging from MM's post-game press conferences, that he had finally had it with Capers. I think it started with the loss at Pittsburgh when Hundley had the game of his life but the defense got torched. I would have been shocked if Capers hadn't been fired, based on what MM was saying, and not saying. When he made his "patterns of negativity" comment, I knew Capers was done.

That explanation makes the least sense to me of all. Everything in that game was apparent in the last six years.

There were years when the D got better toward the end of the season, but 3rd downs and pass D versus good QBs were still bad. The fact they outplayed the offense in the postseason 2-3 times was as much as the offense struggling and the D excelling.

[Joemailman]

That explanation makes the least sense to me of all. Everything in that game was apparent in the last six years.

There were years when the D got better toward the end of the season, but 3rd downs and pass D versus good QBs were still bad. The fact they outplayed the offense in the postseason 2-3 times was as much as the offense struggling and the D excelling.

I think the argument can definitely be made that it took McCarthy at least a couple years too long to fire Capers. He's very loyal to his coaches. Perhaps to a fault. But I do think that late in the year he finally came to the conclusion a change had to be made. Or perhaps it happened earlier.I felt after the Atlanta game that we've seen this before. Perhaps he did too.