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**woodbuck27** · 03-12-2018, 02:33 PM

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It has to be that the Packers are very high on DeShone Kizer a second Round Draft Pick last year by Cleveland.Randall was a late First Round Pick but played at CB and the Packers are in big trouble or severely challenged in their Secondary..

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Giving up a potential Starter for a Backup WB?

Was Damarious Randall a real distraction on the Field he was but did that carry over to the Packers Dressing Room? Was it a case of... "he's gone at all cost?"

I believe that Cleveland wins this trade up front and if their Coaching Staff can get into Randall's head they win for sure. I believe a lot of what we saw as BAD and Packers Defensive backs wasn't at all a fault of talent. I believe it was a matter of Scheme and/and Coaching.

This trade is a head scratcher unless CB Damarious Randall (again) simply had to go.

One plus is The Packers moved to the TOP of Rounds 4 and 5.

That means they have four (4) picks in the Top 100 plus one.

**Anti-Polar Bear** · 03-12-2018, 07:55 PM

A bad trade. Randall is no shutdown corner and he’s the mother of inconsistency, but the Packers got rid of their best corner for a carbon copy of Hundley.

If you’re gonna trade for a Brownie, trade for Flash.

**Smidgeon** · 03-13-2018, 07:54 AM

Browns moving Randall to safety. Now let's see if Capers misused another piece.

**red** · 03-13-2018, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post

Browns moving Randall to safety. Now let's see if Capers misused another piece.

how is he gonna play safety when he's afraid of contact?

**Zool** · 03-13-2018, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by red View Post

how is he gonna play safety when he's afraid of contact?

Everyone loved Sharper?

**Rastak** · 03-13-2018, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by red View Post

how is he gonna play safety when he's afraid of contact?

More of a ballhawking safety with Peppers playing closer to the line is what I saw on twitter.

**pbmax** · 03-13-2018, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Rastak View Post

More of a ballhawking safety with Peppers playing closer to the line is what I saw on twitter.

He does have ball skills. Tackling will be an issue, but his first steps are quick so he can close and he can make plays on the ball.

Little weird to say its his natural position as I have been reading, he played two years of safety (and a lot of slot coverage) in college.

**red** · 03-13-2018, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Rastak View Post

More of a ballhawking safety with Peppers playing closer to the line is what I saw on twitter.

Browns are gonna give up a lot of long TDS next year

Did I forget to mention that he can’t cover worth a shit either?

**MadScientist** · 03-13-2018, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by red View Post

Browns are gonna give up a lot of long TDS next year

Did I forget to mention that he can’t cover worth a shit either?

He used his speed to recover. That was dubious as a CB, but might actually work as a safety.

TT really fucked up in his picks that year. An athletic guy with without the experience and instincts to play the position and a guy who was too slow coming out. Hopefully Gute will listen to the right scouts this year, and also sign a guy who isn't shit.

**MadScientist** · 03-13-2018, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post

A bad trade. Randall is no shutdown corner and he’s the mother of inconsistency, but the Packers got rid of their best corner for a carbon copy of Hundley.

Kizer can throw the ball more than 5 yards downfield, so he's no carbon copy of Hundley. Hundley was more of a carbon copy of Rich Campbell.

**Anti-Polar Bear** · 03-13-2018, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by MadScientist View Post

Kizer can throw the ball more than 5 yards downfield, so he's no carbon copy of Hundley. Hundley was more of a carbon copy of Rich Campbell.

Kizer completed only 53% of his passes last season. He has accuracy issues. Ditto, Hundley. Both are inaccurate, indecisive in the pocket, uninspiring and turnover prone. They actually look the same, too, physically.

Saw this while I was jogging past PB's packerrats twitter feed:

Gil Brandt
‏Verified account @Gil_Brandt

Funny how I'm reading Packers loved DeShone Kizer in last years draft. Half of Green Bay's front office is in Cleveland, which just dumped him for Tyrod Taylor.

It's possible Gutekunst wanted to draft Kizer and Todd overruled him. More likely, it was McCarthy who was in love with Kizer. With the new power structure in the Packers' front office, McCarthy likely pulled a power play and got Murphy to sign off on the Randall for Kizer trade.

McCarthy can't judge talent. Last time McCarthy was asked for his endorsement on personal matters, he picked Alex Smith over the Great Arm of Butte.

Randall for a Hundley-clone reeks incompetence if anyone asks me.

**Bossman641** · 03-13-2018, 12:17 PM

I hate this trade. We need at least 2 starting cb's now and have very little money to play with.

**wist43** · 03-13-2018, 12:34 PM

Very good trade for us... get rid of a lousy player who is also a malcontent in the locker room, and improve our draft position to boot.

Thank God we're finally rid of Randall!!!

**red** · 03-13-2018, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Bossman641 View Post

I hate this trade. We need at least 2 starting cb's now and have very little money to play with.

We need ed 2 starting cbs with Randall

Just because he was our beast cb at the end of the season, doesn’t mean he was any good

We were terrible against the pass last year, and he was a big reason for it