Packers signing Jimmy Graham

[mraynrand]

If you need a blocker at TE that can't catch the ball you use a tackle. If you need a receiver at TE that can't block you use a receiver.

Jimmy has some value, and in MMs offense which doesn't like to call run plays and telegraphs the fuck out of it when he does, Jimmy should be a good fit. I'm just not convinced 10 mil is a good price for a big receiver.

This is far too simplistic. A big WR does not a TE make. The TE is the mismatch guy - too tall for d-backs too fast for LBs, and if you're lucky, strong enough to run block or pass pro.

I'll take the mismatch guy who can run like a deer, doesn't wear oven mitts and fall over after catching the ball, and doesn't fake an injury to get to NE.

[SMBASS]

I hope so. I miss the days of the Big 5, when the only two questions were when the offense gonna blow past 30 points.

And would the defense keep it under 30.

Just me but I wouldn't miss those days one bit because in the end it doesn't win you shit. I want to see the type of team where the O can avg. somewhere in the mid-20's and still win around 75 - 80% of their games. You still need to be able to move the ball and have some firepower on O but I'm sick of watching video game offenses that fizzle out when the games start to matter. I still contend that the majority of the time it's easier for a good O to have a bad day than a good D to have a bad day.

[Bretsky]

I'm fine with the contract and with bringing Graham in...

Couple of ifs with Wilkerson, but if he can return to form - excellent signing, worth the gamble.

Saw a report that the Packers were pursuing Rashaan Melvin, CB, Colts... Melvin for Randall?? In a heartbeat.

I'm very encouraged by what I'm seeing from Gute.

oh frickin great; Wist is turning into a pussy

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN HERE.....lol

[Bretsky]

Something else to consider too, is that this crop of TE's in the draft is very weak. I wouldn't even consider one of those guys before the 4th round.

I'm ok "overpaying" for Graham; think he's a great fit. We can find another WR in the draft if need be but we won't find a TE most likely

[bobblehead]

This is far too simplistic. A big WR does not a TE make. The TE is the mismatch guy - too tall for d-backs too fast for LBs, and if you're lucky, strong enough to run block or pass pro.

I'll take the mismatch guy who can run like a deer, doesn't wear oven mitts and fall over after catching the ball, and doesn't fake an injury to get to NE.

I understand I'm simplifying it a bit, but a big WR that can go split the seem isn't that rare. Graham in his prime was exactly that. He wasn't a TE, he NEVER blocked, he was simply a 6'7" WR. There's a handful of 6'5" WR who aren't that far behind him which is why I never understood the love.

Bennet was 1) misused and 2) a punk who lost most of his speed. I thought in getting him and Kendricks we were committed to mismatching the defense. You know, run the ball with authority against the dime. Alas, stubby is stubby and a zebra has stripes.

[pbmax]

Just me but I wouldn't miss those days one bit because in the end it doesn't win you shit. I want to see the type of team where the O can avg. somewhere in the mid-20's and still win around 75 - 80% of their games. You still need to be able to move the ball and have some firepower on O but I'm sick of watching video game offenses that fizzle out when the games start to matter. I still contend that the majority of the time it's easier for a good O to have a bad day than a good D to have a bad day.

I think more than a letdown or bad day its matchups. Chiefs, Seahawks and 49ers could pass rush with four and cover well in man. So some great Packer Offenses struggled to get past 20 on them.

[mraynrand]

I think more than a letdown or bad day its matchups. Chiefs, Seahawks and 49ers could pass rush with four and cover well in man. So some great Packer Offenses struggled to get past 20 on them.

not to mention the Giants

[mraynrand]

fair points, but I don't think anyone is 'simply' a 6'7" receiver - certainly not Graham. Let's see if he causes the expected trouble for defenses before lamenting his non-existent blocking.

[woodbuck27]

I understand I'm simplifying it a bit, but a big WR that can go split the seem isn't that rare. Graham in his prime was exactly that. He wasn't a TE, he NEVER blocked, he was simply a 6'7" WR. There's a handful of 6'5" WR who aren't that far behind him which is why I never understood the love.

Bennet was 1) misused and 2) a punk who lost most of his speed. I thought in getting him and Kendricks we were committed to mismatching the defense. You know, run the ball with authority against the dime. Alas, stubby is stubby and a zebra has stripes.

The Packers certainly overpaid for Jimmy Graham. He doesn't BLOCK and the Packers paid Rob Gronkowski MONEY for him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/rob-gronkowski-6551/

Rob Gronkowski Stat's:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GronRo00.htm

GRONK may not only be arguably the best Receiver in the NFL but he's certainly the very BEST Blocking TE in the NFL:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baldys-breakdowns/0ap3000000902853/Instant-Playbook-Why-Gronk-is-the-best-blocking-tight-end-in-football

So it is what it is and done and 'a we'll see'. The Packers paid TOP Dollar for a Specialist at best ' a Red Zone Specialist' TE.

Keep TE Jimmy Graham in the game as an every down TE (** unless he can be coached up to block **) and you risk it all and another serious injury to the Franchise EVERYTHING player and Aaron Rodgers.

The Packers paid huge CAP to a player where that CAP money might have been far better utilized UPGRADING (even maintaining) the Packer 'D'. This signing looks great seeing all that Jimmy Graham has been.We are looking at a Jimmy Graham as a key member of a Packer Offense and three Seasons.

** Here's where Jimmy Graham needs to MAN UP ! Man the 'H"up for all that money the Packers have handed to him.

I like the Muhammed Witherspoon signing better and that's going to come down to solid coaching and motivation.

[woodbuck27]

Bump.

[woodbuck27]

How will the Packers use Jimmy Graham? | Film Review

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baldys-breakdowns/0ap3000000921200/How-will-the-Packers-use-Jimmy-Graham-Film-Review

[run pMc]

In his last seasons with NO he fought to get classified as a WR, so I think he's a WR in a TE's body and will probably be used as such. Still a mismatch for DB's, and LB's. Not Jordy though -- they need a sideline receiver or two.

Go back and watch how PHI beat MIN in the NFCC -- Ertz killed them, and they also ran a lot of slants and stuff in the middle of the field.

[mraynrand]

In his last seasons with NO he fought to get classified as a WR, so I think he's a WR in a TE's body and will probably be used as such.

He wanted WR money.

Well, he got it.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm ok "overpaying" for Graham; think he's a great fit. We can find another WR in the draft if need be but we won't find a TE most likely

Plus, in football years, TEs do not age as fast as WRs. Gonzalez was still pimping in his late 30's. Pretty sure Jason Witten fought in the War for Southern Independence, and he's still productive.

Maclin and Pryor are still out there. If not one of them, re-sign Janis and insert him into the lineup. Or draft Ridley.

[woodbuck27]

In his last seasons with NO he fought to get classified as a WR, so I think he's a WR in a TE's body and will probably be used as such. Still a mismatch for DB's, and LB's. Not Jordy though -- they need a sideline receiver or two.

Go back and watch how PHI beat MIN in the NFCC -- Ertz killed them, and they also ran a lot of slants and stuff in the middle of the field.

I agree that bringing in Jimmy Graham has real potential for the Red Zone Offense. Aaron Rodgers will work his tail off to see something special happen with this TE but the Packer 'O' has to get into the Red Zone first. Do so with Aaron Rodgers on his feet and that will take a solid blocking TE to assist that primary need.

Randall Cobb is a slot receiver. Will someone evolve out of the rest as that other NO. 1 or 2 Guy to take heat off Adams? That's at best realistically a NO. The Packers need to draft an immediate presence at WR Featured.

It appears (today RE: the Packers moves /no moves at Defensive Back) that our Secondary is even weaker that the mess we saw last Season. This must be somehow and realistically be a PRIMARY FOCUS. No way should Aaron Rodgers be asked to or expected to carry this team as he has. He needs real help.