Packers Releasing Nelson?

[pbmax]

Its the language of negotiation turned into press release. It means on thing to agents and players (actually, it probably means both things to a lot of players) but to the public it immediately becomes tied to the emotional reaction to losing a popular. player.

Its bad enough losing the guy you like, but then the team lowballed him and made it worse and insulting. Idiots.

I am pretty sure James Jones wants a media job like LeRoy has (or better). He has been all over Twitter and the radio shows.

We will never know of the Packers just faxed over the offer of minimum plus for two years to the agent. They may have had the heartfelt conversation Ted refused to have with players sometimes over his years.

[Patler]

I recall what you are saying here, but all the reporting has been the other way, that the Bears literally could have held the Pack's cap room in this offer hostage for 5 days.

But we are dealing with a group that at first could not decide whether it was two weeks (incorrect) or 5 days (correct apparently) for the Bears to decide whether to match.

Not sure about Rodgers cap space. He is already eating up $20 mil there. You could do a lot of things to make it fit this year into a $20 mil cap space. I wonder though if they plan to lower that number at all.

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I certainly could be wrong about the cap, but the reporting would also have you believe that the Packers haven't signed a significant FA since Reggie White, when in fact TT signed three to be starters just last year.

Why should a team have to cut players just to make an offer to a guy who might never sign a contract? The players wouldn't want that, because it would make teams less willing to make offers, but then again not everything with the NFL makes sense.

[woodbuck27]

Its the language of negotiation turned into press release. It means on thing to agents and players (actually, it probably means both things to a lot of players) but to the public it immediately becomes tied to the emotional reaction to losing a popular. player.

Its bad enough losing the guy you like, but then the team lowballed him and made it worse and insulting. Idiots.

I am pretty sure James Jones wants a media job like LeRoy has (or better). He has been all over Twitter and the radio shows.

We will never know of the Packers just faxed over the offer of minimum plus for two years to the agent. They may have had the heartfelt conversation Ted refused to have with players sometimes over his years.

I was very impressed watching James Jones as a Guest Analyst of the NFL Network this past Season.

He looked just fine, very comfortable.

[woodbuck27]

I've never understood why media, players and fans are so insistent on using terms like "lowball", "disrespect", etc., and the innuendo associated therewith, when a team can no longer afford a popular player. Under his last contract, the Packers paid Jordy Nelson roughly $33M (or something like that, haven't looked it up) for something like 150 receptions for about 1800 yards. Yes, I know a year was lost to an ACL injury, but Nelson is soon to be 33 years. The Packers offered what they were willing to risk on an older player who showed some bad signs last year. Maybe in a different cap situation (if Bennett had worked out so less was invested in TEs than with Graham) , the Packers could/would have offered Nelson more in a revised deal, but with Cobb, Adams and Graham all with big contracts, what % of the cap can be invested in players to catch passes?

After watching the Packers pay players like KGB and Donald Driver well in excess of the values of their contributions for several years each, seeing them move on from Sitton, Lang and Nelson is a refreshing change. Don't get me wrong, I would have liked to see Nelson stay in GB, but letting him go was the right thing to do, even if he goes on to have a big year with the Raiders.

The chemistry he developed with Aaron Rodgers was well worth one more Season at a decent Salary and BONUS and another BONUS Incentive laden Contract.

He likely would have signed that and retired as a Packer.

[pbmax]

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I certainly could be wrong about the cap, but the reporting would also have you believe that the Packers haven't signed a significant FA since Reggie White, when in fact TT signed three to be starters just last year.

Why should a team have to cut players just to make an offer to a guy who might never sign a contract? The players wouldn't want that, because it would make teams less willing to make offers, but then again not everything with the NFL makes sense.

Well, the Reggie White thing was just Florio and football history is his weakest subject; right after X and Os. His third weakest subject is Packers corporate structure.

Teams who offer contract tenders (Franchise, Transition, RFA) have to keep that number on their books. So a non-signed deal having a cap impact is not unheard of. But it does raise the interesting situation of an unsigned player counting against two teams caps.

[mraynrand]

The chemistry he developed with Aaron Rodgers was well worth one more Season at a decent Salary and BONUS and another BONUS Incentive laden Contract.

He likely would have signed that and retired as a Packer.

That's just a guess. More likely he wouldn't. The Raiders valued him a lot higher than I expected, and probably a lot higher than the Packers did.

Contracts for players are a lot like engagement rings. No matter how much you say you love someone, you give 'em a small diamond, and well, they have a small diamond.

[pbmax]

That's just a guess. More likely he wouldn't. The Raiders valued him a lot higher than I expected, and probably a lot higher than the Packers did.

Contracts for players are a lot like engagement rings. No matter how much you say you love someone, you give 'em a small diamond, and well, they have a small diamond.

Its a guess and there are other needs to address that Woodbuck doesn't consider. Who is playing corner if you give Jordy $10 mil guaranteed? You do anything approaching Oakland's offer and you can't make an offer to Fuller.

[Rutnstrut]

Its the language of negotiation turned into press release. It means on thing to agents and players (actually, it probably means both things to a lot of players) but to the public it immediately becomes tied to the emotional reaction to losing a popular. player.

Its bad enough losing the guy you like, but then the team lowballed him and made it worse and insulting. Idiots.

I am pretty sure James Jones wants a media job like LeRoy has (or better). He has been all over Twitter and the radio shows.

We will never know of the Packers just faxed over the offer of minimum plus for two years to the agent. They may have had the heartfelt conversation Ted refused to have with players sometimes over his years.

Jones has been pretty regular on NFL network for awhile. He has quite the flashy wardrobe, other than that he does quite well. I watch Total Access almost daily and he is a lot better than some ex-players.

[Rutnstrut]

Its a guess and there are other needs to address that Woodbuck doesn't consider. Who is playing corner if you give Jordy $10 mil guaranteed? You do anything approaching Oakland's offer and you can't make an offer to Fuller.

Hell, who is playing corner even without paying jordy?

[pbmax]

Hell, who is playing corner even without paying jordy?

Oh the plan has developed a problem absolutely.

But if you do Jordy's deal, hell, even if you cut the Oakland'd deal in half for home team discount, you might not be able to offer Fuller.

At least they have some cash and space to offer... someone.

[pbmax]

Jones has been pretty regular on NFL network for awhile. He has quite the flashy wardrobe, other than that he does quite well. I watch Total Access almost daily and he is a lot better than some ex-players.

Then he might be more successful than LeRoy, who got sometime at ESPN but has been mostly local since.

I like him when I hear him on the radio. We'll see if he can get past the Chmura/AndrewBrandt "let me tell you about Brett Favre/Rodgers" phase.

[Rutnstrut]

Then he might be more successful than LeRoy, who got sometime at ESPN but has been mostly local since.

I like him when I hear him on the radio. We'll see if he can get past the Chmura/AndrewBrandt "let me tell you about Brett Favre/Rodgers" phase.

One thing I really like about him that non Packer fans probably don't. A lot of the time he references the Packers or brings them up. He is very respectful of the team and especially Rodgers. But not so much that he sounds like a repetitive homer.

[denverYooper]

Packers effectively swapped Jordy's 2018 cap dollars for Graham and Wilkerson

Tom Silverstein
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9m9 minutes ago

The combination of Graham and Wilkerson costs the #Packers $10.41 million in cap dollars, almost exactly the same as the $10.25M they got from cutting Jordy Nelson.

[woodbuck27]

Its a guess and there are other needs to address that Woodbuck doesn't consider. Who is playing corner if you give Jordy $10 mil guaranteed? You do anything approaching Oakland's offer and you can't make an offer to Fuller.

Can't the Contract be structured to minimize the CAP hit?

Yes it can.

Today we see clearly that the Packers are in a huge hole at the WR position on a Team that needs to be BIG on Offense because of a horrid Pass Defense. That chemistry between Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson was obviously real.

On the flip side of that:

Yes we began to see a decline in Jordy in the 2016 Season. Yes Aaron made Jordy with his ability to extend plays.

Jordy is gone. I moved on with that as soon as he was signed by Oakland and good luck with that as he needed to hope that IMO Bill Belichick might love him. Raiders QB Derek Carr isn't Aaron Rodgers noe Tom Brady. I predict that Jordy Nelson signed his last Contract in the NFL.

[pbmax]

Graham and Wilkerson for Jordy isn't bad. But there still needs to be a third part of that for improvement. Either a WR or a CB.