Nutz's 2018 Mock Draft 1.0

[pbmax]

#11 overall is most Packer fans favorite pick that year.

He helped the Pack as much as AJ.

[bobblehead]

I do not concur with the above statement.

Keep the Claymaker at OLB til he's 40. Peppers had 11 sacks last season at 37. No reason the Claymaker can't do the same. And fuck Nutz. The Claymaker is still awesome, especially at OLB. When QB pressures, knockdowns, tipped passes, and other stuffs are taken into consideration along with sacks, the Claymaker is, well, awesome.

Claymaker just needs to grow a pair and quit leaving the field whenever his hammy itches.

Well, no reason other than he isn't that good of a pass rusher and never actually was.

[bobblehead]

Any concern you may miss out on generational talent and get AJ Hawk instead?

Always. But that was a pretty crappy draft and we got an average LB at 5. This draft has certain advantages over that one.

[bobblehead]

We would have been raving about Hawk's career in GB if he had been selected in rounds 4 -7. Being the 5th pick in the draft created higher expectations.

No...I would never have raved. Nice pick at 6th round may have been said, but never rave.

[KYPack]

That year was a terrible draft.

Going off memory, wasn't Ngata the best 1st rounder that year? Was he also the best overall player in that draft? Am I missing someone?

Yeah, for several years Haloti was the best player in the NFL.

In yet another screw-up, the Browns traded the Ravens their #1 so Baltimore could pick Ngata.

(One genius ragged at the Pack for not drafting Michael Huff from Texas that year. )

[hoosier]

Well, no reason other than he isn't that good of a pass rusher and never actually was.

Apparently you have forgotten what the early version looked like or have selective memory. In 2010 he was a sack/pressure machine.

[call_me_ishmael]

Apparently you have forgotten what the early version looked like or have selective memory. In 2010 he was a sack/pressure machine.

I don't personally disagree. I do think one could make the argument that Clay was just an extremely explosive athlete that took advantage of the best DL in football that year. I'm not personally making that argument, but I would at least consider and listen if someone else made it.

I don't think Clay ever had the premier pass rushing ability of some of the all-time greats. He is a freaky athlete sort of like Urlacher though. For a person to be a 10 year starter and multi-time pro bowler at edge rusher, I would have expected him to have contributed more sacks I guess.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Yeah, for several years Haloti was the best player in the NFL.

In yet another screw-up, the Browns traded the Ravens their #1 so Baltimore could pick Ngata.

(One genius ragged at the Pack for not drafting Michael Huff from Texas that year. )

In hindsight, Packers should've tanked that season for Bush. Dude could've been the next Roger Craig had he played in a quasi-West Coast Offense like McCarthy's.

Then again, had the Packers tanked, we would've seen the Great Arm of Butte play a bunch. As Rodgers was clearly not ready for prime time as a rook, he would've stunk up the joint badly. Having seen Rodgers play miserably, Thompson would not have hesitated to trade Butte to Oakland for Randy Moss in 2007.

Packers would've won the Super Bowl after the 2007 season, and Favre would've rode into the sunset afterward. Packers would've finished 1-15 with Criag Nall at the helm in 2008. With the 1st overall pick in the 2009 draft, Thompson would've drafted Matthew Stafford.

[hoosier]

I don't personally disagree. I do think one could make the argument that Clay was just an extremely explosive athlete that took advantage of the best DL in football that year. I'm not personally making that argument, but I would at least consider and listen if someone else made it.

I don't think Clay ever had the premier pass rushing ability of some of the all-time greats. He is a freaky athlete sort of like Urlacher though. For a person to be a 10 year starter and multi-time pro bowler at edge rusher, I would have expected him to have contributed more sacks I guess.

Best defensive line in football??? They had 1-2 good pass rushing DL: Cullen Jenkins and Raji emerging later in the season. The other guy or guys were just run stuffers. You say Matthews was "just an extremely explosive athlete"....well, isn't that a pretty good description of one of the main skills of a good pass rusher?

[call_me_ishmael]

Best defensive line in football??? They had 1-2 good pass rushing DL: Cullen Jenkins and Raji emerging later in the season. The other guy or guys were just run stuffers. You say Matthews was "just an extremely explosive athlete"....well, isn't that a pretty good description of one of the main skills of a good pass rusher?

Right, like I said I don't agree, but I would entertain the argument. I wwill say that I am surprised his career has gone the way that it has and he hasn't been more productive. He is so athletic and quick. I am left bewildered wondering why his numbers are what they are. I feel like the explosiveness is there to have better numbers.

[hoosier]

Right, like I said I don't agree, but I would entertain the argument. I wwill say that I am surprised his career has gone the way that it has and he hasn't been more productive. He is so athletic and quick. I am left bewildered wondering why his numbers are what they are. I feel like the explosiveness is there to have better numbers.

His numbers include 80 sacks in 9 years. How many linebackers do you think have managed to produce more than that? Compare his yearly sack output to Terrell Suggs and James Harrison.

[bobblehead]

Apparently you have forgotten what the early version looked like or have selective memory. In 2010 he was a sack/pressure machine.

At that time I said he was benefitting from weak competition. Every time he went one on one with a decent tackle he was stonewalled.

If you recall I predicted he would never have a season as good as Kampman from a sacks perspective and that stands.

[bobblehead]

I don't personally disagree. I do think one could make the argument that Clay was just an extremely explosive athlete that took advantage of the best DL in football that year. I'm not personally making that argument, but I would at least consider and listen if someone else made it.

I don't think Clay ever had the premier pass rushing ability of some of the all-time greats. He is a freaky athlete sort of like Urlacher though. For a person to be a 10 year starter and multi-time pro bowler at edge rusher, I would have expected him to have contributed more sacks I guess.

I'm willing to consider I'm wrong since this is basically my thought process.

[bobblehead]

Best defensive line in football??? They had 1-2 good pass rushing DL: Cullen Jenkins and Raji emerging later in the season. The other guy or guys were just run stuffers. You say Matthews was "just an extremely explosive athlete"....well, isn't that a pretty good description of one of the main skills of a good pass rusher?

One of. His moves are 1) speed rush the edge 2) come from disguised position untouched 3) get stonewalled by good tackle.

[bobblehead]

His numbers include 80 sacks in 9 years. How many linebackers do you think have managed to produce more than that? Compare his yearly sack output to Terrell Suggs and James Harrison.

In 2010 McGinn called him the best OLB in football. Most here agreed. I said Cameron Wake was. I think Mathews is a great player, but should have been a move around guy to exploit all his skills as very good and none elite.