jordan matthews

[Fritz]

Always thought Mathews was a solid player. Didn't realize he had 3 surgeries last year. NE must have a great doctor or whatever.

Whoever it is is probably much closer to a "or whatever" than an actual medical doctor.

[mraynrand]

Whoever it is is probably much closer to a "or whatever" than an actual medical doctor.

u give sports weenie the sadz

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DAM HOODY GENIUS !!! LOOKING LIKE WE MAY NEED TO DRAFT A WR

And this really sucks cause there’s about 10 defensive players, 1 really good guard and some OTs that I would live to take at 14. But, since we basically only have 1 real WR on the team in Adams, 1 empty uniform in Cobb, and who knows what we have in Monty, and now the bungling of free agency, we almost have to spend that pick on a wr

[bobblehead]

Janis makes mental mistakes and does not run good patterns. He is what he is; a very good special teams player IMO

He's the perfect #6

McCarthy loves to say that about guys he won't let on the field. Said it about Bishop and he turned into the best ILB that MM has coached to date.

Maybe Janis blows, maybe not, but I think a good HC would have found a way to use that talent.

[mraynrand]

Maybe Janis blows, maybe not, but I think a good HC would have found a way to use that talent.

Well, if he blows, then no HC will 'use that talent' And while we're on the subject, They did use the talent - on ST. It's amazing to me how much is wasted on debating the obviously astonishing talents at the bottom of the roster. Other than the receiver who had a few catches for MN (Charles something) has any bottom feeder gone on to some amazing Pro Bowl status with another team. Even players like Guy and Zombo were just meh with the teams they went to. It's not like the Packers need them back.

[George Cumby]

Rand, you are such a sheeple, lemming, koole-aid drinking Homer.

Clearly TT didn’t know how to build a roster. Clearly M3 can’t develop the little talent provided to him.

Only the sagacious football whizzes on this forum can discern the real talents on the roster. That’s why they are posting here and not making real football decisions and getting paid to do it.

[Fritz]

Someone here will mention Hyde and Hayward, I am sure. My own opinion is that they weren't good enough to re-sign in Green Bay. I loved Hyde's attitude and effort, and Hayward's, too, but they both always seemed to be a step and a half behind the wide receiver. Hayward had that great rookie year, then got hurt and was "meh." Hyde - nice backuppy guy, maybe he should've been moved to safety, I don't know, but as a slot corner or a corner he was always a step behind.

[mraynrand]

Rand, you are such a sheeple, lemming, koole-aid drinking Homer.

we all have our sins to bear

[Joemailman]

Someone here will mention Hyde and Hayward, I am sure. My own opinion is that they weren't good enough to re-sign in Green Bay. I loved Hyde's attitude and effort, and Hayward's, too, but they both always seemed to be a step and a half behind the wide receiver. Hayward had that great rookie year, then got hurt and was "meh." Hyde - nice backuppy guy, maybe he should've been moved to safety, I don't know, but as a slot corner or a corner he was always a step behind.

And both made Pro Bowls after they left. Which I think points to the failure of Capers in recent years to find ways to utilize his talent. We may see the same thing with Randall. This is why I'm fairly optimistic about what Pettine will be able to do. I think there is more talent here than you what have thought from Capers' results. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Rollins have something of a recovery under Pettine. And you won't see HHCD lining up so deep that he's not in a position to make plays.

[George Cumby]

Agree on Capers’ deficiencies.

[mraynrand]

And both made Pro Bowls after they left. Which I think points to the failure of Capers in recent years to find ways to utilize his talent. We may see the same thing with Randall. This is why I'm fairly optimistic about what Pettine will be able to do. I think there is more talent here than you what have thought from Capers' results. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Rollins have something of a recovery under Pettine. And you won't see HHCD lining up so deep that he's not in a position to make plays.

You may be right, and I'm certainly hoping you are, but to remind: Hayward was hurt and missed a lot of time. He only started 20 games over four season, and played hurt a lot. He was let go in 2015 and Shields was lost for good first game 2016. So there was an expensive plan in place for that corner spot, but it got upended. You can't pay everyone, and you can't pay a backup/insurance policy starter money.

Hyde is a smart slow corner. If you watch the Buffalo games, he benefited from some pass rush. Good player, not great. Would be better than some options the Packers were left with after injuries and attitude problems. But he also only started only 33 games in 4 years and with Buffalo had 2 more INTs (5) in 2017 starting 16 games for Buffalo versus 3 INTs starting 11 for GB in 2016. Virtually no difference there.

[pbmax]

And both made Pro Bowls after they left. Which I think points to the failure of Capers in recent years to find ways to utilize his talent. We may see the same thing with Randall. This is why I'm fairly optimistic about what Pettine will be able to do. I think there is more talent here than you what have thought from Capers' results. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Rollins have something of a recovery under Pettine. And you won't see HHCD lining up so deep that he's not in a position to make plays.

I tend to agree with this which is why, in hindsight, getting Pettine two years earlier (or having McCarthy force Thompson/Capers to figure it out) would have been better.

[pbmax]

You may be right, and I'm certainly hoping you are, but to remind: Hayward was hurt and missed a lot of time. He only started 20 games over four season, and played hurt a lot. He was let go in 2015 and Shields was lost for good first game 2016. So there was an expensive plan in place for that corner spot, but it got upended. You can't pay everyone, and you can't pay a backup/insurance policy starter money.

Hyde is a smart slow corner. If you watch the Buffalo games, he benefited from some pass rush. Good player, not great. Would be better than some options the Packers were left with after injuries and attitude problems. But he also only started only 33 games in 4 years and with Buffalo had 2 more INTs (5) in 2017 starting 16 games for Buffalo versus 3 INTs starting 11 for GB in 2016. Virtually no difference there.

I miss Hyde, but not as much as Hayward, even if Hayward was an easier call because of his very mixed health/performance history.

To pay Hyde as a starting safety would be a bit much when he clearly had Burnett and Dix in front of him. Now if you decide to trade Burnett then I get it. Or if Dix was really just a flash in the pan, OK. But the rookies of Hayward is the one that haunts me.

I think in situations like these, maybe shipping the vet out (like Sitton but with less acrimony) is the way to go. However, its 2 of the rare cases that Thompson let someone go and they got better elsewhere. There is a possibility that he and Capers were off here, but not by as much as just two players make it seem.

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i'm kinda pissed that he came here and left, then he just kinda dangled in the wind for a couple weeks until another offer came along

did we even offer him a contract? or is this more of the old same TT type of bullshit where we say, well heres our offer, see ya later, bye now

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I miss Hyde, but not as much as Hayward, even if Hayward was an easier call because of his very mixed health/performance history.

To pay Hyde as a starting safety would be a bit much when he clearly had Burnett and Dix in front of him. Now if you decide to trade Burnett then I get it. Or if Dix was really just a flash in the pan, OK. But the rookies of Hayward is the one that haunts me.

I think in situations like these, maybe shipping the vet out (like Sitton but with less acrimony) is the way to go. However, its 2 of the rare cases that Thompson let someone go and they got better elsewhere. There is a possibility that he and Capers were off here, but not by as much as just two players make it seem.

i think the problem and the frustration come from the fact that our seconday has been pathetic for a long time (and thats putting it nicely), meanwhile the guys we let walk turn out to be stars

its a whole collection of buttfuckery that leads to situations like that

its one thing if our secondary was always good, and we let guys go because we actually have decent players ahead of them on the team, its another to let players go when you have a pile of shit left around

this is a whole team failure, its TT for drafting shit and not being able to evaluate his own talent, its capers fault for having no clue how to use his own talent, its fat mikes fault for "knowing players were being played in the wrong position", and dickhead keeping his hero capers around for about 5 years too long, and its murphys fault for letting the whole shit show go on this long. if fat mike won't get rid of the problem, then he is just as much of a problem. and why was TT kept around so long when he wasn't drafting the talent the team needed, and when it became obvious that he could no longer mentally and physically do the job?

we really should have cleaned house, this team has really been mismanaged for a few years now, top to bottom