jordan matthews

[red]

nice little write up on graham, FYI, it might have been written by a high schooler

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Bolt/NFL-executive-says-Jimmy-Graham-is-just-a-red-zone-target-117023330

"All Jimmy is now is a red zone target," the exec said. "They are saying, 'OK, when we get to the red zone, we are just going to have our quarterback throw the fade ball up to Jimmy Graham and let him go get it.' Jimmy is best at that, but outside the red zone, he just doesn't run routes hard anymore. You get a veteran guy who has had injuries and he really only wants to play when it is touchdown time."

[Fritz]

I don't know, really, who is to blame. You can blame TT, but he drafted Hyde and Hayward, and when both were allowed to walk there wasn't too too much bitching by anyone here. Hyde was slow and Hayward hurt and slow after that first year. So was it Capers' fault for not utilizing them? BabyMike's for letting Capers misuse them? Ted's for not re-signing them despite one being out-of-position and the other hurt often enough that his performance fell off?

I don't know. I do think that Pettine will help. I tend to think that there was enough talent for that defense to play better than it did, despite the injuries. Dom's defenses historically start out well then fade. So I think the change will help now.

Let's see what Gutty can bring in, talent-wise. As far as the promised big sea change in approach to FA, it doesn't seem to have produced results much different from Ted's approach. Martellus Bennett, Kendricks, etc.

[pbmax]

i think the problem and the frustration come from the fact that our seconday has been pathetic for a long time (and thats putting it nicely), meanwhile the guys we let walk turn out to be stars

its a whole collection of buttfuckery that leads to situations like that

its one thing if our secondary was always good, and we let guys go because we actually have decent players ahead of them on the team, its another to let players go when you have a pile of shit left around

this is a whole team failure, its TT for drafting shit and not being able to evaluate his own talent, its capers fault for having no clue how to use his own talent, its fat mikes fault for "knowing players were being played in the wrong position", and dickhead keeping his hero capers around for about 5 years too long, and its murphys fault for letting the whole shit show go on this long. if fat mike won't get rid of the problem, then he is just as much of a problem. and why was TT kept around so long when he wasn't drafting the talent the team needed, and when it became obvious that he could no longer mentally and physically do the job?

we really should have cleaned house, this team has really been mismanaged for a few years now, top to bottom

The coaches have to make some things work with less than top line talent at times. The search for ILB is ongoing. The need for pass rush, especially the last two years. The search to replace Collins at safety.

Drafting later, eventually you a the player (Dix, Martinez) because of luck or they fall to you, but it doesn't happen overnight. Same with CBs since Shields.

There has been talent back there but it doesn't seem to make a difference when its here. Some of that is injuries (Hayward) but I think some of it is scheme. The blitzing isn't fooling anyone and they did not have the talent to play man coverage for 5 seconds. Most attempts to play zone were comical.

However, I think Thompson has some blind spots. He subscribes to the short cornerbacks are a problem. Could he have found the magical mystery press coverage corner if he was OK with 5' 9" guys? Sure, you lose some jump balls, but man coverage for 4-5 seconds would help the pass rush.

And McCarthy never said: "I don't f*****g care, finding 6' corners who play press man isn't working! Teach them the play zone or draft differently. But no one eats till we make a decision!"

[woodbuck27]

Rand, you are such a sheeple, lemming, koole-aid drinking Homer.

Clearly TT didn’t know how to build a roster. Clearly M3 can’t develop the little talent provided to him.

Only the sagacious football whizzes on this forum can discern the real talents on the roster. That’s why they are posting here and not making real football decisions and getting paid to do it.

That USA sarcasm says sweet 'F' all.

I can assure you in my 12 Years on this Forum there have been extremely competent analysts here.

I can assure you there are as big of brains here as you've ever seen on Packer Brass over the past decade and a half.

I'm positive that I could choose 5-6 Packerrats and see the Packers run far better than we have over the TT and MM Era which is frankly to me disappointing. Anything less that winning is second best of an NFL Final Conference Finalist. My personal standards are very high and I back myself up.

You give the likes of Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy way too much credit.

[George Cumby]

Well Woody, your hypothesis is ultimately untestable so you are very safe making it.

I grant you I am probably the least football savvy poster on this board. I know fuck all about X’s and O’s. I don’t watch college football so I know dick about the draft. I know as much about the salary cap as I do about higher calculus, which is nothing. My understanding of the inner workings of a professional level sports organisation is limited at best. The interpersonal dynamics at 1265 are opaque to me, as they should be.

All that being said, I am aware of my legion short comings, ignorance and overall lack of competence in regards to running a professional sports franchise.

I respectfully suggest you do an internet search on the Dunning-Kruger effect.

You may be right, you and a select few on this board may be capable of running the Packers better than those in charge.

But I doubt it.

[mraynrand]

I respectfully suggest you do an internet search on the Dunning-Kruger effect.

No need to search far and wide, that info is right next door:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...ters%92-Brains

[mraynrand]

I respectfully suggest you do an internet search on the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I respectfully suggest you could learn more about Packerrats by doing an internet search on the Freddy-Krueger effect. (i.e. super horrible things/ideas somehow never die, cannot be killed, and follow you into your nightmares)

[George Cumby]

^ lol.

X2

[woodbuck27]

Well Woody, your hypothesis is ultimately untestable so you are very safe making it.

I grant you I am probably the least football savvy poster on this board. I know fuck all about X’s and O’s. I don’t watch college football so I know dick about the draft. I know as much about the salary cap as I do about higher calculus, which is nothing. My understanding of the inner workings of a professional level sports organisation is limited at best. The interpersonal dynamics at 1265 are opaque to me, as they should be.

All that being said, I am aware of my legion short comings, ignorance and overall lack of competence in regards to running a professional sports franchise.

I respectfully suggest you do an internet search on the Dunning-Kruger effect.

You may be right, you and a select few on this board may be capable of running the Packers better than those in charge.

But I doubt it.

I don't and I'm serious too.

To compete you have to have the strength to do so and that means have the talent available on any Team to ever imagine winning. It's not Rocket Science it's commonsense and matching need by simply acquiring the necessary talent and after that you need motivation and coaching. You need a solid Team attitude and morale.

Haven't you ever coached or played at a Championship Level?

You cannot win 'the Horse Race' with the slowest horse in the field. Right now the Packers Horse is too slow. So far this Season there has been little done to correct that problem. The facts and reality and Packers is that it's too much needing to be done in one Season but every single move has to be orchestrated with a minimum of risk of failure.

[George Cumby]

Ok Knute.

So let’s roll with this. Which poster fits which role? I got Water Boy figured out all by myself.

President:
General Manager:
Salary Cap guy:
Director professional personnel:
Director college personnel:
Head Coach:
Offensive Coordinator:
Defensive Coordinator:
Water Boy: George Cumby

[mraynrand]

Patler could effectively navigate several jobs, but his best skill is "Salary Cap Guy"

[mraynrand]

Whatever you do, don't let Wist near Defensive Coordinator. Maybe Nutz. KY could be O-coor, but he's really a line coach at heart.

[KYPack]

Ok Knute.

So let’s roll with this. Which poster fits which role? I got Water Boy figured out all by myself.

President:
General Manager:
Salary Cap guy:
Director professional personnel:
Director college personnel:
Head Coach:
Offensive Coordinator:
Defensive Coordinator:
Water Boy: George Cumby

Keep this one going boys.

Could be a classic thread.

[Joemailman]

Can Red be head coach so I can call him Fat Red?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Put Tex in charge of inflating the game balls.