2018 Packers Third Round Pick Oren Burks

[mraynrand]

Conservatives wanted the Packers to Draft both Edmunds and Burke.*












*(yes, I know that's lame....)

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'm telling ya'all, Burks is gonna be a OLB, not an ILB. His weakness is strength at the point of attack; His strength is speed turning the corner. That says OLB.

I think his strength is his weakness. That says ST.

[woodbuck27]

I'm telling ya'all, Burks is gonna be a OLB, not an ILB. His weakness is strength at the point of attack; His strength is speed turning the corner. That says OLB.

[Brandon494]

Burks will remain at ILB replacing Joe Thomas. We still have Vince Biegel, Reggie Gilbert, Fackrell, and Odom at OLB. Biegel could be a nice surprise and Gilbert came on late to end the season. Will be a make or break year for Fackrell but don’t expect much .

[pbmax]

The offense in KC last year had Tyreek Hill. The OC there, Nagy, is the Bears new coach and he has Tarik Cohen.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775054-mitchell-trubisky-is-primed-to-be-nfls-breakout-sophomore

The result is an ILB like Burks getting drafted. He might not even be the coverage on someone like Hill or Cohen, but he will be covering someone.

[bobblehead]

My take is something like this. Coaches are in love with themselves and always believe they can turn an athlete into a football player. GMs salivate at the better athlete becoming a football player. Bottom line is this. A good football player is almost a guarantee to become a better athlete with conditioning and drills. A good athlete is less likely to gain instincts.

[pbmax]

My take is something like this. Coaches are in love with themselves and always believe they can turn an athlete into a football player. GMs salivate at the better athlete becoming a football player. Bottom line is this. A good football player is almost a guarantee to become a better athlete with conditioning and drills. A good athlete is less likely to gain instincts.

I think its more complicated than that. Scouts prefer ready made NFL prospects who play in known college systems that translate to the NFL.

GMs and analytics guys prefer to weed out marginal athletic performance unless production on field is undeniable (plus known college system and translatable to NFL).

Coaches love guys who fit their system. McCarthy is already in love with DeShone Kizer because he is big enough and has a big arm. He thought Hundley had enough of that, but he turned out not to be salvageable in the current timeframe.

In order, the problems are:
1. Coaches and their systems. 130 some schools play college football and 1/3 to 1/2 get good production from the QB spot and their offense. NFL coaches look at that and say "This guy is not tall enough to be a pocket QB". See McVay in LA with Goff (after Fisher and his OC tried to ruin him) as an example. Or Wilson and Seattle. NEVER occurs to them that "system" is the problem.

2. I am more convinced than ever that scouts actually aren't evaluating players production and tape. They are spies. They want to know what the volleyball coach says. Better people can watch the tape at HQ and call the coaches to find out if the kid is dedicated. There is some value to seeing this in person, but most of the emphasis seems to be on rumor.

3. GM. Suffers to some degree from being a former scout. Has analytics guys telling you that marginal athletic prospect from Power 5 school has probably maxed out and you have a better chance of hitting late taking a junior/senior year injury guy or a small school guy to help. Still likes "football players" more than he should (AJ Hawk).

[wist43]

Any update on the worst football player on the planet??

How did he look in the post-draft workouts??

I really do hope he can play... we're so desperate at LB, but honestly I just don't see much hope with this guy. If he flames out - I think that would be evidence enough to support firing more people from the scouting dept.

[mraynrand]

Any update on the worst football player on the planet??

lol

[Smidgeon]

The Packers.com guy said that Moore, Burks, and Alexander were the rookies that looked like they belonged at the rookie camp.

Obviously it means nothing until they're going against veterans in full gear, but it's a start.

[wist43]

The Packers.com guy said that Moore, Burks, and Alexander were the rookies that looked like they belonged at the rookie camp.

Obviously it means nothing until they're going against veterans in full gear, but it's a start.

I have no doubt Burks looks like a HOF'er in drills. Based on the combine, he was a 1st rd pick. Based on his actual football tape, he's a bartender.

[mraynrand]

I have no doubt Burks looks like a HOF'er in drills. Based on the combine, he was a 1st rd pick. Based on his actual football tape, he's a bartender.

He's no Tom Cruise

[Joemailman]

Burks will initially be the dime linebacker. If he wants to be a starter, he'll need to improve his tackling and diagnosis of running plays. He should benefit from getting to focus on one position, instead of switching positions as he was doing during much of his college career. He's still learning how to play ILB. And he should be a ST stud.

[The Shadow]

I have no doubt Burks looks like a HOF'er in drills. Based on the combine, he was a 1st rd pick. Based on his actual football tape, he's a bartender.

A most excellent quote! I bet it is picked up quickly & becomes a widely-used one.

[run pMc]

He's a bigger, faster Joe Thomas. By the middle of NEXT season we'll know if he's any good or not.