"Packers Attack CB but Neglect Outside Pass Rush ""

[Maxie the Taxi]

I would agree that most GM/Coach speak is BS; however, the GM speak in Green Bay is pretty consistent and backed up by the facts. The Packers haven't cared about "filling holes" since TT took over as GM. They might throw a spitball at a position of need later in the draft, but when they have a chance to fill a hole higher in the draft, they don't think twice about completely ignoring the position for some headscratching pick that usually flames out as a bust.

Case in point would be picking Demarious Randall over Benardrick McKinney in 2015, and then throwing a spitball at the ILB position later in the draft by picking Jake Ryan.

Randall is history, Ryan sucks elephant tits, and McKinney has played at a near pro-bowl level. So the Texans filled a position of need for them and can get on with their lives - while we are still floundering around with 2 critical positions of need on the defense.

2 years later, we have to spend our top 3 picks in the draft on CB and ILB - and the ILB is as likely to be a bust as any player the Packers have ever picked.

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I get the 2 CB picks... not bitching about that.

What I'm up in arms about is completely ignoring pass rush with the Burks pick on. As I said, next year, we're all going to be screaming about pass rush - and we'll likely be playing wack-a-mole in the later rounds again b/c Gute refused to even address the position this year.

Fackrell can't play - yet the Packers told us he was a "good football player" when they drafted him; the Carl Bradford nonsense; Vince Biegel, etc...

Over 10 years of this crap... the list of failures runs very, very long - yet they keep doing the same thing over and over again. I was hoping Gute would put an end to this shit, but apparently not. That is very disappointing.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. BUT -- and this is a big but -- to say that the Packers "haven't cared about 'filling holes' since TT took over as GM" is jumping the shark. I continue to believe that "need" is ALWAYS the elephant in the room.

I've followed the draft pretty closely the last few years and invariably my list of Packer "needs" pretty much matched what TT tried to satisfy. Sure, you can cherry-pick instances like the Randall pick that seems to run against the grain, but there are also a bunch of TT picks that run with the grain. AND there is always another side to the story. I wasn't sold on McKinney either. My guy was Stephone Anthony. My bad. Anthony was a "can't miss" guy that missed badly. But many Packerrats wanted TT to pick Eric Kendricks. Not too shabby. But why Randall? I couldn't figure out that one either when guys like Jalen Collins and Eric Rowe were still available. Maybe TT was trying to fill holes, but he just screwed up and bet on the wrong guy.

By the way, I couldn't figure out the Rollins choice either. Consensus opinion was that Rollins was green as hell but with "potential." Again, TT just bet on the wrong guy. Like I said earlier, this isn't at an exact science.

For what it's worth, I was also a big Fackrell fan (not Bradford though!). I still like Fackrell and am not ready to give up on him. I'm counting on him thriving in Pettine's system. But then what do I know?

I think TT's biggest problem was his rep as a draft genius. He wasn't. But because of his rep the Packers IMO many times kept his bad decisions on the roster way too long.

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I thought he tried to address the 2 biggest holes on the D ---> the secondary with those corners in the first 2 rounds and the pass rush with Wilkerson.

wilkerson hasn't had double digit sacks in 3 years.

plus our pass rush comes from the OLB, not the D-line

although as i write this i'm remembering we have a new DC and maybe a new scheme, so maybe we will get some pass rush from the line

but still, we have 2 legit OLBs on the team. both are injuries waiting to happen

[wpony]

I think why we drafted the way we did was because of out new defensive coordinator hes already had enough time to look at the tapes and really decide where the weakness are I mean under capers we kept letting people go who started for other teams and now we have the new DC that knows what he needs for his defense to work. I am going to give Gute a few yrs before I judge his draftees kips ratted us a A- so we didnt to to bad. in the worlds eye LOL

[red]

I think why we drafted the way we did was because of out new defensive coordinator hes already had enough time to look at the tapes and really decide where the weakness are I mean under capers we kept letting people go who started for other teams and now we have the new DC that knows what he needs for his defense to work. I am going to give Gute a few yrs before I judge his draftees kips ratted us a A- so we didnt to to bad. in the worlds eye LOL

well, most on here have seen every snap of every game and we can tell the new DC that we need pass rush

even if they manage to stay healthy, mathews and perry don't bring consistent pass rushing

[The Shadow]

I think what often gets lost in the pass rush conversation is the potentially huge difference the new DC will make. I always thought that Capers had gotten way too predictable (When a LB or DB came up to the line before the snap, they ALWAYS seemed to blitz; never backed off).
Maybe finding new ways to utilize our players better will make things better.

[mraynrand]

If someone would have told me before the draft we would draft 2 of the top 3 CBs with our first two picks plus pick up a 2019 1st round pick I would have asked them could I buy the rest of their weed off them.

[George Cumby]

I think what often gets lost in the pass rush conversation is the potentially huge difference the new DC will make. I always thought that Capers had gotten way too predictable (When a LB or DB came up to the line before the snap, they ALWAYS seemed to blitz; never backed off).
Maybe finding new ways to utilize our players better will make things better.

Capers blitz schemes were worn out long ago. Opposing teams knew who was coming and from where since about 2011

[Zool]

People find a thing to complain about.

Fuck yes they do, and negativity breeds negativity. It becomes normal to dislike things if that’s all you ever think about.

[pbmax]

Capers blitz schemes were worn out long ago. Opposing teams knew who was coming and from where since about 2011

You know this is true when the beat writers don't screw it up in the paper. That indicates time to draw it up again.

[Pugger]

nm

[Pugger]

well, most on here have seen every snap of every game and we can tell the new DC that we need pass rush

even if they manage to stay healthy, mathews and perry don't bring consistent pass rushing

What EDGE guy did you want us to take? Davenport? Landry wasn't worth taking at 14 or 18 and was long gone by the time our pick came in the 2nd round and corner was a need.

[George Cumby]

For the sake of argument, what if Guts selected two or three edge guys and only paid a passing interest to the back end. What would the nattering nabobs be saying then?

[The Shadow]

The scheme, the scheme....

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I think what often gets lost in the pass rush conversation is the potentially huge difference the new DC will make. I always thought that Capers had gotten way too predictable (When a LB or DB came up to the line before the snap, they ALWAYS seemed to blitz; never backed off).
Maybe finding new ways to utilize our players better will make things better.

True, but how is this even possible? lol
#FireCapers was huge, everyone had personal best performances against the Packers. We hated Capers for a reason, guys and gals. A lot of the "this player can't do that and that guy is only this" gets thrown out the window with a change like this. There will be breakout seasons for some guys on defense this year and most of it will be due to the change at DC (see Hyde and Heyward). Even if they aren't THAT good, we're going to think they're VERY good after the first however-many weeks of the season. Whether that holds up through the end of the year will come down to if it's actually legit or just un-scouted looks and enthusiasm for something new (and of course, injuries).

[gbgary]

hopefully these corners will make the qb hold the ball an extra second or two (through jamming and disrupting routes) to let the pass rush get to the qb.