Official 2019 Draft Thread

[pbmax]

Rodgers history means nothing right now. it's about the possibility of putting the best team around him they can. throwing him out there for these last two games does nothing for next year.

His history means a lot. He can function is he is 50% of the passer he used to be, assuming he hasn't entered the Favre zone.

Josh Allen has nothing like that to draw on.

[pbmax]

Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC

NFL Draft standings post 4PM today

1. Cardinals
2. Raiders
3. Jets
4. 49ers
5. Jaguars
6 Falcons
7. Lions
8. Giants
9. Bucs
10. Bills
11. Packers
12. Panthers
13. Eagles
14. Broncos
15. Bengals
16. Browns
17. Dolphins
18. Redskins

[bobblehead]

Needs: Dynamic TE. Dynamic RB. At least one guard. Another WR. If you could get 2 Gs similar to Lang/Sitton we can win with the RB we have and whatever we can fill in. Still not sold on Spriggs, but as PB said somewhere, he is progressing...makes me think he is learning to carry enough weight to play T in the NFL.

Needs: Dynamic Edge Rusher. Another ILB at least similar to Martinez. A Safety who doesn't piss on his own shoes.

So, we could fill in with FA and a lucky draft and turn this around quick, but I'm thinking 2 year process. We have a couple impact players on the roster, but our holes are really bad. I get improving from within, but it might be too big of an ask. Tonyan, the young WRs, maybe Jackson to S. Some luck with injuries. Thats a lot that needs to break your way. I could be optimistic if we only needed one of those things, but we need all of them.

[beveaux1]

Needs: Dynamic TE. Dynamic RB. At least one guard. Another WR. If you could get 2 Gs similar to Lang/Sitton we can win with the RB we have and whatever we can fill in. Still not sold on Spriggs, but as PB said somewhere, he is progressing...makes me think he is learning to carry enough weight to play T in the NFL.

Needs: Dynamic Edge Rusher. Another ILB at least similar to Martinez. A Safety who doesn't piss on his own shoes.

So, we could fill in with FA and a lucky draft and turn this around quick, but I'm thinking 2 year process. We have a couple impact players on the roster, but our holes are really bad. I get improving from within, but it might be too big of an ask. Tonyan, the young WRs, maybe Jackson to S. Some luck with injuries. Thats a lot that needs to break your way. I could be optimistic if we only needed one of those things, but we need all of them.

It's amazing that our defense looks somewhat better than our offense. I agree that we have more needs on offense, but I think tackle and WR are our biggest needs there. I'm afraid Spriggs will never be a starting T and I'm not convinced we have a number 2 WR on our roster. I agree with the defensive needs, except I think Jones might end up being that MLB because he's not a safety. If we cut Bulaga, Perry, and Matthews, there better be some FAs that we can replace them with.

[call_me_ishmael]

Just look at the draft and what it's deep at. They're going to go defense because that's where the best players in the draft are and are in the deepest numbers.

They will probably add a TE, an RB, a guard, a tackle, and a WR, but I doubt they'll pick any of them in the first round.

[deake]

Observation: There hasn't been a true, clear cut top QB bust taken since 2014 in Manziel. Winston and Mariotta sorta suck but one made the pro bowl and one won a playoff game so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Seems like in the past, every year at least one first round QB completely was terrible. Times appear to have changed here. It seems easier to find a winnable QB. Seems like all QBs are better now.

In this capitalistic time that would mean the 20 million plus contracts for qb are over. The need for qbs has shrunk and so will the size of the contracts.

[The Shadow]

How much is the antiquated passing attack to blame & how much falls on the players? Moore, St. Brown & Valdez-Scantling underwhelmed. Cobb? I can't decide if it's the system or he just no longer has the quicks for the slot. I'd like to see us draft an ultra-quick Tarik Cohen-type - downgraded to the 2nd round for lack of size, perhaps - if Cobb is just not the answer anymore.

[call_me_ishmael]

In this capitalistic time that would mean the 20 million plus contracts for qb are over. The need for qbs has shrunk and so will the size of the contracts.

Not so sure I agree but what we are seeing is very few great teams and a lot of mediocre teams. Lots of parody since everybody can move the ball pretty well.

[call_me_ishmael]

Good read on the subject and why quarterbacks are better, fewer bust, and football has changed.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/10/10/17958238/quarterback-trend-easy-difficulty-jared-goff-drew-brees-patrick-mahomes

[bobblehead]

Just look at the draft and what it's deep at. They're going to go defense because that's where the best players in the draft are and are in the deepest numbers.

They will probably add a TE, an RB, a guard, a tackle, and a WR, but I doubt they'll pick any of them in the first round.

This is a big time WR draft. We could find a guy in round 2 that is usually not there that late. Problem is WR is a slow developing position.

[call_me_ishmael]

This is a big time WR draft. We could find a guy in round 2 that is usually not there that late. Problem is WR is a slow developing position.

Not so sure I agree.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/ - here we only have 9 WR ranked in the top 75 players. Seems a little low but beyond that none are rated higher than 24!

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/12...bosa-ed-oliver - Here we have only two!! picked in the first round in this heavily defensive draft.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019_1.php - Has only one!! picked in the first round

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/15/20...justin-herbert - None!! in the top 20 prospects

Of course none of this is cast in stone, but it is interesting.

[Cheesehead Craig]

In this capitalistic time that would mean the 20 million plus contracts for qb are over. The need for qbs has shrunk and so will the size of the contracts.

The amount QBs make won't go down. Not when the NFL is making money hand over fist and the cap goes up.

[mraynrand]

The amount QBs make won't go down. Not when the NFL is making money hand over fist and the cap goes up.

wait 'til the cable contracts expire. Unless cord-cutting revenue is replaced by revenue from a-la-carte programming or stuff like NFL.com/game pass, salaries will crater. Also, kids are playing soccer now. Football may be on it's way out.

[pbmax]

wait 'til the cable contracts expire. Unless cord-cutting revenue is replaced by revenue from a-la-carte programming or stuff like NFL.com/game pass, salaries will crater. Also, kids are playing soccer now. Football may be on it's way out.

Maybe. But Fox, like ESPN before it, just paid a huge amount for Thursday night football. The only reason to pay it, as ESPN did for Monday night, is as a loss leader and a promotion for all your other programming. NFL ratings have recovered and overall have still fallen slower than almost all other programming.

Cord cutting might affect NFL contracts last. ESPN fired people rather than rethink its live sports strategy and their new President is on board to have a "better" relationship with the NFL.

I have no idea how it could be "better".

[Cheesehead Craig]

wait 'til the cable contracts expire. Unless cord-cutting revenue is replaced by revenue from a-la-carte programming or stuff like NFL.com/game pass, salaries will crater. Also, kids are playing soccer now. Football may be on it's way out.

Oh I agree that the NFL is in overall decline, but they still bring in mountains of cash. I think it's still got about a decade of being the top sports dog in 'Murica.