Official 2019 Draft Thread

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Anybody scouted Greedy Williams yet? I think the Packers signing the Smiths and apparent interest in resigning Wilkerson and Matthews (as an ILB with versatility to give outside rush snaps) maybe points to them not expecting Bush or maybe Oliver to fall. Hockenson is nice, but I don't know if you draft a TE who isn't an exceptional athlete at 12. More likely, they look at TE with pick #30 - hoping one of the top three fall. Oliver may still pique their interest, but I'm starting to think OL or CB is really in play (especially since there doesn't appear to be any urgency to resign Breeland). If they draft Greedy, Alexander can play in the slot. If King gets hurt again, Alexander can kick outside. The knock on Greedy is that he doesn't like to tackle, but he looks a big press man CB that Pettine had with the Jets, Antonio Cromartie. King could be that too, but they need to cover themselves. Josh Jackson could give them the flexibility to play at safety.

you mean bush fall to #30? cause i'm not seeing too much showing bush going before #12

or are you talking about the guy a lot of us want, devin white?

[Deputy Nutz]

Like I said earlier in this thread, I wouldn't put it pass the Packers taking a defensive back, more aptly a corner. King hasn't exactly worked out, and Jackson is coming off a very forgetful rookie year. I think the Packers will look at a couple of offensive linemen early with the 12th pick, but most likely will still go defense.

[HarveyWallbangers]

you mean bush fall to #30? cause i'm not seeing too much showing bush going before #12

or are you talking about the guy a lot of us want, devin white?

Yes, I meant White.

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 9

TJ Hockenson TE, Iowa
Film: Wisconsin Penn St

First Take: Hockenson is a toolbox kind of kid. I like him but I don't love him. Seems to need to add some bulk. He does seem to do an adequate job blocking at the TE position, holds his ground keeps lanes open for the back, but he isn't going to make his money at the next level being a great blocker, it will help but he has to catch the football. At 6-5 and 250 pounds you can live with 4.7 forty time. He plays the game fast enough and makes tough catches in traffic and over the shoulder type stuff. Hockenson has good focus on the football. Hockenson is sneaky athletic in open space, I would like to see him faster off the ball though. I don't think he does enough on film to distinguish himself from Fant or Smith the other two TEs in the top tier. I can't see a team picking in the first half of the first round, but he should contribute right away to whatever team drafts him.

[Deputy Nutz]

As far as TEs go for the Packers in this draft, I think the Packers will lean towards a guy like Irv Smith. He fills a more flexible role than Fant or Hockenson. He can play wing and H, and from everything I hear or read the Packers are going to rely more on their TEs to play off the line. Smith did more of that at Alabama then the other two at Iowa.

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As far as TEs go for the Packers in this draft, I think the Packers will lean towards a guy like Irv Smith. He fills a more flexible role than Fant or Hockenson. He can play wing and H, and from everything I hear or read the Packers are going to rely more on their TEs to play off the line. Smith did more of that at Alabama then the other two at Iowa.

And you might be able to get him in the second

[pbmax]

Signing Lewis indicates that at least one TE is going to be on the line blocking a DE or OLB, more like the Shanny offense in San Fran. McVay has less dominant blockers at TE in LA and used them as H back and in motion to create space, misdirect and cut off pursuit.

And that could be the plan for now. If they get a more multi-dimensional threat at TE, that could change into the more modern TE threat of run or pass from heavier personnel.

But LaFleur keeps mentioning outside zone running as the basis for his offense and I think that means a blocking TE will get the majority of snaps. I think they would have to fall in love at either 12 or 30 to take a TE. Not saying Packers don't need an upgrade, but I think the current plan is to make do without and pray for one more year with JimmyG.

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 9
Noah Fant TE, Iowa
Film: Iowa St, Penn St

First Take: Fant might be the best combination of size and speed. You hear the term glorified wide receiver but I think he is a little more than that. He is a willing blocker when asked to double team with the tackle, but I don't think you could rely on him to be your kick out block on power, or counter. I don't know how much he will improve as an inline blocking tight end and in reality you might be wasting your time with him if you try to make him that. He runs good to great routes, plays the ball like a basketball player, and has really good body control. Neither Fant, Smith, or Hockenson are miles apart from each other, it is what each particular team is looking to get out of their TE position when they draft.

[Deputy Nutz]

Signing Lewis indicates that at least one TE is going to be on the line blocking a DE or OLB, more like the Shanny offense in San Fran. McVay has less dominant blockers at TE in LA and used them as H back and in motion to create space, misdirect and cut off pursuit.

And that could be the plan for now. If they get a more multi-dimensional threat at TE, that could change into the more modern TE threat of run or pass from heavier personnel.

But LaFleur keeps mentioning outside zone running as the basis for his offense and I think that means a blocking TE will get the majority of snaps. I think they would have to fall in love at either 12 or 30 to take a TE. Not saying Packers don't need an upgrade, but I think the current plan is to make do without and pray for one more year with JimmyG.

You just needs a luke warm body at tight end to block the backside of zone, but if you run it to your strength/TE you need to have a competent guy their that can combo with the Tackle to get the end blocked and then get the next level blocked.

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You just needs a luke warm body at tight end to block the backside of zone, but if you run it to your strength/TE you need to have a competent guy their that can combo with the Tackle to get the end blocked and then get the next level blocked.

And that is something I don't know about this offense. Do they always run in toward strength? Away or a mix? Or do they read the defenses alignment?

[Deputy Nutz]

Against an 8 man box, which most NFL teams won't ever commit 5 linemen. You get the basics of it though

[run pMc]

Irv Smith Jr in R2?
or
Foster Moreau on Day 3?

the list of TE drafted in early rounds over the last few years has not exactly produced a lot of stars, and TE drafted high are largely seen by NFL draft rooms as luxury picks. I'm not sure GB falls in the category of being able to drop a high pick on a TE unless there's someone there they really like. They have Graham, Lewis and Tonyan -- basically they need someone to push the others and do better than Kendricks.

[woodbuck27]

Signing Lewis indicates that at least one TE is going to be on the line blocking a DE or OLB, more like the Shanny offense in San Fran. McVay has less dominant blockers at TE in LA and used them as H back and in motion to create space, misdirect and cut off pursuit.

And that could be the plan for now. If they get a more multi-dimensional threat at TE, that could change into the more modern TE threat of run or pass from heavier personnel.

But LaFleur keeps mentioning outside zone running as the basis for his offense and I think that means a blocking TE will get the majority of snaps. I think they would have to fall in love at either 12 or 30 to take a TE. Not saying Packers don't need an upgrade, but I think the current plan is to make do without and pray for one more year with JimmyG.

Pray for and what and Jimmy Gee!

This guy simply looks like a waste of CAP.

He looks over cooked.

[woodbuck27]

Nutz, Google translate is not helping me with this:



I am assuming either he is short OR cannot jump?

Hahaha...Should the word 'elevator' in his sentence be substituted with the word ' evaluator '?

[woodbuck27]

Signing Lewis indicates that at least one TE is going to be on the line blocking a DE or OLB, more like the Shanny offense in San Fran. McVay has less dominant blockers at TE in LA and used them as H back and in motion to create space, misdirect and cut off pursuit.

And that could be the plan for now. If they get a more multi-dimensional threat at TE, that could change into the more modern TE threat of run or pass from heavier personnel.

But LaFleur keeps mentioning outside zone running as the basis for his offense and I think that means a blocking TE will get the majority of snaps. I think they would have to fall in love at either 12 or 30 to take a TE. Not saying Packers don't need an upgrade, but I think the current plan is to make do without and pray for one more year with JimmyG.

Holy Mackeral pbmax and 59,608 Posts !

Someone please contact the Guiness Book Of World Record.

At the same time have 'the Favre Thread' recognized.

These have to both be what I deem 'incredible records' and and Fan Forums and Pro Sports.