Official 2019 Draft Thread

[Fritz]

Nutz is like our Bill Belichek. We're all getting caught up in the outside drama of He said/they said, but Nutz just keeps watching film in his wife beater and sweats, doggedly looking for the right players to take this team to the next level. He is single-handedly keeping us focused on success on the field.

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutz, would ya take a look at winnovich. I’m curious what you think on that dude. He had some success and has some athletic ability.

I just don't know how you would play him in the scheme. Like a lot of these edge rushers they are mostly undersized defensive ends, that will for the most part struggle to play in space. Because if they could play in space they would have in college.

That being said Winnovich has a heck of a motor and great attitude towards the game of football. Typical Pittsburgh kid. His combine may have gotten him within the first three rounds of the draft, where before the combine he was looking like a day 3 kid. Seems very Aaron Kampman like to me, nice undersized defensive end that will continue to grow into his position but just lacks the ability to play in a two point stance. I am not even sure it has anything to do with his athleticism.

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutz is like our Bill Belichek. We're all getting caught up in the outside drama of He said/they said, but Nutz just keeps watching film in his wife beater and sweats, doggedly looking for the right players to take this team to the next level. He is single-handedly keeping us focused on success on the field.

This is awesome!

[mraynrand]

First Take: Dillard is a natural pass blocker with great feet. I would call him a technician in the pass blocking department. I have no real issues, sure sometimes he lunges out, but there was a reason for it. He had help from the running back and it could have been RPO. My concerns with Dillard come in the run game. Washington State is not known for its running attack, and the time spent on running blocking shows up on film. He doesn't drive aggressively, he chooses to be more of a wall, cutting off defenders rather than opening up holes. When he does block down field he stops his feet on contact. Any QB in the league would like to have him in camp though, because for the most part he will keep edge rushers at bay. He will go in the top 25 picks in this draft. Dillard would not be a bad option at 12.

Will this iteration of the Packers be run-heavy as some have suggested? If so, how could they take this guy? Unless the run-thing is less of a thing.... With this guy and Madison in there, you'd have the right side taken care of - at least on passing downs!

[Deputy Nutz]

Madison has a lot to prove in the NFL. You are talking about a late round pick verse a potential top 20 pick in the draft. For the offensive line just having bodies hasn't been very successful for this offense. There some great edge rushers in the North Division that come from both sides. Bulaga should probably retire as his legs are shot, the Packers need a competent piece at right tackle. I am also sick of hearing about the new zone scheme being brought in, almost every team in the NFL runs zone blocking concepts and if linemen can't block zone principles they shouldn't be in the NFL.

This particular draft has some interesting pockets of offensive linemen. Several really good centers and a few really good guards. There are no elite tackles, but at least 3 of them if not 5 will go in the first round, and then the quality all sorts of melds together.

I will put out a couple of breakdowns of offensive linemen today or tomorrow.

[pbmax]

Will this iteration of the Packers be run-heavy as some have suggested? If so, how could they take this guy? Unless the run-thing is less of a thing.... With this guy and Madison in there, you'd have the right side taken care of - at least on passing downs!

If they truly run outside zone most of the time, then agile and athletic types will still get a shot. I remember watching old Tauscher and Clifton trying to get cutoff blocks and just not being able to get there. Tauscher especially didn't have that burst.

That to me is the great question about this years offense: will they truly try to run more and will it be successful? Even with reinforcements, the line is no sure thing.

[Fritz]

I just don't know how you would play him in the scheme. Like a lot of these edge rushers they are mostly undersized defensive ends, that will for the most part struggle to play in space. Because if they could play in space they would have in college.

That being said Winnovich has a heck of a motor and great attitude towards the game of football. Typical Pittsburgh kid. His combine may have gotten him within the first three rounds of the draft, where before the combine he was looking like a day 3 kid. Seems very Aaron Kampman like to me, nice undersized defensive end that will continue to grow into his position but just lacks the ability to play in a two point stance. I am not even sure it has anything to do with his athleticism.

Not sure I agree with that assessment, though I don't watch much college ball, so I might be off. To me, the college players are mostly a little smaller, so a guy who's 265 can play defensive end in college, easily, but that hardly flies in the NFL any more for defensive end - thus you end up with all these too-light-for-the-NFL defensive linemen who must learn to play OLB. I wonder if Winovich could make that transition. I know that it doesn't happen successfully terrible often, but he's certainly got the drive.

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 18

Max Sharping OL, Northern Illinois
Film: Utah, San Diego St. #73 LT

First take: Sharping is a Green Bay kid, and left the state to play his ball down in Northern Illinois. He played left tackle in college but projects more as a right tackle. Reminds me of Brian Bulaga in a way. Solid built kid, not overly athletic, but gets the job done. He understands how to play offensive line and how to move his body in the blocking concepts. He has a nice kick start off the snap and gets into his pass blocking set right away with his hands ready to strike. He wins a lot with his set up. When he gets beat it is because he allows his weight to shift to his outside leg and he gets whipped on the double move back to the inside. Sharping does a good job at keeping his chest and hips square to the defender in the pass game and in the run game. Sharping could go any where from late second round to mid fourth round. I think he is one of the mid round sleepers in this draft that teams are just waiting on to pull the trigger to draft.

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 18

Mike Edwards S, Kentucky
Film: Texas A&M, Tennessee

First Take: With more teams playing a 3-3 look and bringing in a safety to play the nickel you open up guys like Edwards to play all over the field. Over half of his film he is over the slot no matter what the down is. He is playing more like a conventional 3-4 outside linebacker, in a two high safety look. His film is not as impressive as some of the other safeties, and his work out numbers are good but not great, and sometimes you see that on film. He is a willing tackler but he wants to slide down and grab legs. His Tennessee film is bad. He was asked to play more coverage and he looked lost in the first half. They backed him off in the second half and gave him a little more room to read routes. He seems to do a nice job diagnosing RPO, and getting to his coverage responsibilities around the box area, but I am not sure if he can be a true centerfield. Edwards is a mid round pick that might be a diamond in the rough especially if he works on his technique. His back peddle wasn't very good, looks like he has heavy feet.

[gbgary]

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[bobblehead]

If they truly run outside zone most of the time, then agile and athletic types will still get a shot. I remember watching old Tauscher and Clifton trying to get cutoff blocks and just not being able to get there. Tauscher especially didn't have that burst.

That to me is the great question about this years offense: will they truly try to run more and will it be successful? Even with reinforcements, the line is no sure thing.

And yet we still ran more effectively using that scheme than any since. MM is a tool who abandoned what he knew was the most effective blocking system in the league. He also refused to practice it properly. I can't wait to see what happens to our injury situation with a new regimen.

[pbmax]

And yet we still ran more effectively using that scheme than any since. MM is a tool who abandoned what he knew was the most effective blocking system in the league. He also refused to practice it properly. I can't wait to see what happens to our injury situation with a new regimen.

He never stopped running zone, but its been a mixed bag of stuff. They put Power O back in and Sitton and Lang were good with it. Though even Lang wasn't quite Wahle on a pull block.

[RashanGary]

I just don't know how you would play him in the scheme. Like a lot of these edge rushers they are mostly undersized defensive ends, that will for the most part struggle to play in space. Because if they could play in space they would have in college.

That being said Winnovich has a heck of a motor and great attitude towards the game of football. Typical Pittsburgh kid. His combine may have gotten him within the first three rounds of the draft, where before the combine he was looking like a day 3 kid. Seems very Aaron Kampman like to me, nice undersized defensive end that will continue to grow into his position but just lacks the ability to play in a two point stance. I am not even sure it has anything to do with his athleticism.

I don’t know if that’s necessarily the case. The average nfl ol is 6’5” 312. The average division I-A college lineman is 6’4” 298. I-AA is 276 pounds so you see even smaller DEs. I don’t think it’s that they couldn’t play in space. I think in college that was just his best position. It’s a different game. In the NFL it will be a different fit. Tweener college ends often times end up 3-4 lbs in the NFL.

[RashanGary]

Guys elite in space play 4-3lb or ILB in 3-4
Guys who are tweeters usually play de in college and 3-4 olb in nfl.
Guys who are better on the line and bad in space play 4-3 DE

But what they played in college doesn’t mean they’ll play that in NFL. It’s just a different game. Different body types. Different in so many ways

[Deputy Nutz]

We have seen it in Green Bay where college defensive ends struggle to make the transition to outside linebacker. Nick Perry never really panned out as an outside linebacker, he got paid off of one season. Datone Jones failed miserably, and he could just have been a terrible draft pick. It is not as easy as you think to make the transition from a 5 tech or a wide 9 end to a stand up linebacker even though they might be rushing the passer 75% of the time. The get off is completely different, the timing is different, and the position of attack is different. We see through the lens as a pass rusher when looking at these transition ends, but the real truth is how they can play the run as an OLB. Again very different technique.

It's not impossible, but to think it will happen over night is ridiculous.