Official 2019 Draft Thread

[mraynrand]

Aaron will stall without targets he trusts. The Packers need to address that likelihood or turn him into another Gunslinger.

Whatever do you mean by this? According to many reports and analyses, gunslinging is exactly what Rodgers has been doing for several years.

[woodbuck27]

Whatever do you mean by this? According to many reports and analyses, gunslinging is exactly what Rodgers has been doing for several years.

Hey, I reached the point where I realized your level of being was impossible to inform or popularly where I come from...school.

[bobblehead]

I'd take Bush in GB without hesitation but not at pick 12

To me he's clearly the second best ILB and a tier above the rest.

Would LOVE to see Oliver at 12 an Devin Bush at 30

Why is it that you think White is better than Bush? 1" of height? .02 in the 40? Agility is similar. Think bush jumped higher.

[SMBASS]

I'm biased because I watch a fair amount of Iowa football but I knew Hockenson was going to be a stud a couple of years ago when he started getting more playing time. You could immediately tell that he has a high football I.Q. and he always knew how to find the soft spots in the D and get open. I used to argue on an Iowa board that I'd take him over Fant any day because of his complete game. I think Fant is going to be a good player too but Hockenson just seemed to have, "it" from the start.

Nobody wants to take a TE early but then we complain because these others teams have great TE's and we have crap at the position. So what if it takes a year or so for them to develop. Kittle broke out in only his 2nd year in the league and he actually had a fairly productive rookie season. Of course if we could find a Kittle clone in the 5th rd. like SF did instead of a DickRod type player in the 3rd rd. I'd be okay with that! If you have a chance to have a Jason Whitten type TE for the next 10+ years I say the short wait is worth it.

[Joemailman]

I'm biased because I watch a fair amount of Iowa football but I knew Hockenson was going to be a stud a couple of years ago when he started getting more playing time. You could immediately tell that he has a high football I.Q. and he always knew how to find the soft spots in the D and get open. I used to argue on an Iowa board that I'd take him over Fant any day because of his complete game. I think Fant is going to be a good player too but Hockenson just seemed to have, "it" from the start.

Nobody wants to take a TE early but then we complain because these others teams have great TE's and we have crap at the position. So what if it takes a year or so for them to develop. Kittle broke out in only his 2nd year in the league and he actually had a fairly productive rookie season. Of course if we could find a Kittle clone in the 5th rd. like SF did instead of a DickRod type player in the 3rd rd. I'd be okay with that! If you have a chance to have a Jason Whitten type TE for the next 10+ years I say the short wait is worth it.

Taking a TE as early as 12 doesn't pay off, and it certainly isn't necessary. Just look at the draft positions of the top TE's from last year:

Zach Ertz - Philadelphia (35)
Travis Kelce - Kansas City (63)
George Kittle - San Francisco (146)
Austin Hooper - Atlanta (81)
Jared Cook - Oakland (89)
Eric Ebron - Indianapolis (10)
Rob Gronkowski - New England (42)
Kyle Rudolph - Minnesota (43)
David Njoku - Cleveland (29)
Jimmy Graham - Green Bay (95)
Trey Burton - Chicago (Undrafted)

By the way, Jason Witten was drafted 69th. These numbers would show that if you want to draft a top TE, you probably need to do in the 1st 3 rounds, but not at #12. As for DickRod, most had him rated as a 6th round prospect. The fact that TT made a big mistake there doesn't mean you can't get a top player in the 3rd round.

I know some have argued that Gronk would have been drafted earlier if not for his injury history. I suppose if you're absolutely convinced that a player is the next Gronk, you take him at #12. But the odds of that happening are slim. Gronk was a generational player.

[Bretsky]

Why is it that you think White is better than Bush? 1" of height? .02 in the 40? Agility is similar. Think bush jumped higher.

Initially when I made the post I didn't mean to note a huge difference between 1 and 2.
Some do not like Bush in here and my point was he's clearly in the top tier with White and a margin above the #3 prospect

[Bretsky]

Bobble, your post did inspire me to go back and watch more film of both. And my opinion of Bush went up.

I still like White slightly better and think he was a little better in college and with good coaching to give him the mental edge as well he steps right in to start and sees many Pro Bowls.

But Bush has elite ability at ILB as well that we as Packer fans never get to see in Green n Gold

I probably prefer Oliver over both, but I'd be content with Bush at 12 if he is gone

I'd love to have an elite guy in the middle and Bush is NOT making it to 30

[SMBASS]

I understand what you're saying Joe, but I'll bet I could take any position and put together a list of early round busts and later round successes and claim the same thing that it doesn't pay to take a specific position early. For example:

Linebackers:

A.J. Hawk: 5th overall pick
Trev Alberts: 5th overall pick
Tom Cousineau: 1st overall pick
Huey Richardson: 15th overall pick
Quentin Coryatt: 2nd overall pick
Aundray Bruce: 1st overall pick
Aaron Curry: 4th overall pick
Brian Bosworth: 1st overall pick

On and on.....

Studs
Adalius Thomas: Rd. 6
Seth Joyner: Rd. 8
Zach Thomas: Rd. 5
Harry Carson: Rd. 4
Sam Mills: UDFA
James Harrison: UDFA

Based on this information do we conclude that you should never take a linebacker early because it doesn't pay off and there are great players to be picked later? It's always a bit of a crapshoot so I say you grab good football players who can contribute and make your team better whenever you think you can no matter what their position. If there are so many good TE's available to be taken after let's say the 60th pick why can't we seem to find one? I admit that there have been a lot of TE's taken early who ended up not being worth the pick and our taking Bubba Franks with the 14th pick was a complete waste.

There are several players other than TE I'd be perfectly happy with at the 12th pick but I sure wouldn't be disappointed if we chose Hockenson.

[mraynrand]

^^^ I think based on that it's really important to have successful picks. This nugget of extreme wisdom is free of charge.

[SMBASS]

Lol mraynrand! I think you've hit on the elusive key to having a successful draft. Mighty benevolent of you to openly distribute that type of wisdom without any expectation of compensation! Just get a dart board out, put a bunch of names on it, and start chucking!

[RashanGary]

Taking a TE as early as 12 doesn't pay off, and it certainly isn't necessary. Just look at the draft positions of the top TE's from last year:

Zach Ertz - Philadelphia (35)
Travis Kelce - Kansas City (63)
George Kittle - San Francisco (146)
Austin Hooper - Atlanta (81)
Jared Cook - Oakland (89)
Eric Ebron - Indianapolis (10)
Rob Gronkowski - New England (42)
Kyle Rudolph - Minnesota (43)
David Njoku - Cleveland (29)
Jimmy Graham - Green Bay (95)
Trey Burton - Chicago (Undrafted)

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Past has nothing to do with right now. Hockenson is a difference maker. Whatever TEs before him did doesn’t matter. All that’s gonna matter is what he does. And IMO he’s worth the 12th pick, especially for our team the way it’s put together right now.

[pbmax]

Whatever do you mean by this? According to many reports and analyses, gunslinging is exactly what Rodgers has been doing for several years.

Its the Reverse Gunslinger, technically.

[pbmax]

Why is Tom Cousineau listed as a bust?

[mraynrand]

Lol mraynrand! I think you've hit on the elusive key to having a successful draft. Mighty benevolent of you to openly distribute that type of wisdom without any expectation of compensation! Just get a dart board out, put a bunch of names on it, and start chucking!

I would have drafted Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, Randy Moss and passed on Tony Mandarich. But only in retrospect. I call it the "Infallible Woodbuck Hindsight Draft Technique"

[red]

why are we being linked by so many places to a QB in the first round?

we are years away from being able to move on from a-rod, thanks to that idiot deal we just gave him because we were "disrespecting him", by him not being the highest paid QB (which he isn't again)