Official Packers vs. Steelers Game Day Thread

[Pugger]

My official theory of Hundley getting second QB turn is that they are hoping he looks good and can trade him.

Yes, I can't believe we traded a former #1 pick to the Browns for Kizer if we weren't gonna make him our backup to 12 this season.

[Pugger]

Jake Kumerow shoulder injury. Will be on IR shortly.

Evidently it was only a stinger.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yes, I can't believe we traded a former #1 pick to the Browns for Kizer if we weren't gonna make him our backup to 12 this season.

I'm thinking that was more a matter of unloading Randall - selling on an upswing of the market - than needing Kizer. He potentially could be the next big thing - remotely, Rodgers successor, more likely, trade him for something of value, or he could be a bust. And Randall - IMO - was only gonna revert and get less valuable.

[Pugger]

I'm thinking that was more a matter of unloading Randall - selling on an upswing of the market - than needing Kizer. He potentially could be the next big thing - remotely, Rodgers successor, more likely, trade him for something of value, or he could be a bust. And Randall - IMO - was only gonna revert and get less valuable.

I would really like to see Kizer play with more starters like Hundley has before a decision is made about our backup.

[ThunderDan]

Got back from the game late last night and finally have time to put my thoughts down:

Hundley needs to go. Twice he had a WR break deep and had his man beat and both times he didn't let the ball fly. I am not sure if it is mechanics or mental but he had two ling gains that he threw away.
Run defense looked horrible. Never get a good angle to see what really happened but PITT got a lot of push from the OL.
HaHa still looked a half step slow. He baited the QB into that crossing route in the end zone for a TD. He tried to jump the route and didn't have the speed to make up the "extra" cushion he gave to the inside. Poor tackling also. Threw himself at the ball carrier's feet multiple times.
CBs looked OK. The one guy who got beat consistently was Goodson. The rest played well. Two pick 6s was awesome.

[Guiness]

I would really like to see Kizer play with more starters like Hundley has before a decision is made about our backup.

Agreed about Kizer. He was in there for a lot more snaps, and got better results than Hundley. I wouldn't be suprised if he's the first one off the bench next week, and maybe start week 4.

[texaspackerbacker]

After finally seeing the replay of the game, I'd say our O Line still ain't very good. No holes for RBs, and everybody from Aaron Rodgers on down was rushed horribly and forced to scramble. When we made plays, it was in spite of the O Line's play, not because of it. Our run defense also wasn't what it should be. If you're gonna have small mobile ILBs, your D Line needs to be stouter than I saw in that game.

The two main talent clusters where we have more good people than we can keep - WR and Corner - got more complicated. I had written off House as good as gone, but he played decent last night. And of course, supposedly lower down wideouts have been outplaying the supposedly better ones.

It's about time somebody starts a thread about the roster - how many of each position at least, if not down to naming names.

[Radagast]

After finally seeing the replay of the game, I'd say our O Line still ain't very good. No holes for RBs, and everybody from Aaron Rodgers on down was rushed horribly and forced to scramble. When we made plays, it was in spite of the O Line's play, not because of it. Our run defense also wasn't what it should be. If you're gonna have small mobile ILBs, your D Line needs to be stouter than I saw in that game.

The two main talent clusters where we have more good people than we can keep - WR and Corner - got more complicated. I had written off House as good as gone, but he played decent last night. And of course, supposedly lower down wideouts have been outplaying the supposedly better ones.

It's about time somebody starts a thread about the roster - how many of each position at least, if not down to naming names.

Your elected, we'll look forward to your new thread !

[run pMc]

After finally seeing the replay of the game, I'd say our O Line still ain't very good. No holes for RBs, and everybody from Aaron Rodgers on down was rushed horribly and forced to scramble. When we made plays, it was in spite of the O Line's play, not because of it. Our run defense also wasn't what it should be. If you're gonna have small mobile ILBs, your D Line needs to be stouter than I saw in that game.

The two main talent clusters where we have more good people than we can keep - WR and Corner - got more complicated. I had written off House as good as gone, but he played decent last night. And of course, supposedly lower down wideouts have been outplaying the supposedly better ones.

It's about time somebody starts a thread about the roster - how many of each position at least, if not down to naming names.

Agree. The run D and OL were hardly bright spots. Davante, Cobb and the TEs looked good, the Rodgers jailbreak is not a good play to keep calling and one Hundley can't master.
I think Kizer has better pocket awareness than Hundley, and there's a lot to be said for that.

If Josh Jackson can return punts Trevor Davis won't make the 53.

[Pugger]

Didn't the Steelers blitz more than most teams do in the preseason?

[Patler]

Still utterly confuses the issue. Virtually no one holds out over rights to a player. They are holding out over contract terms.

So a drafted player who doesn't sign a contract and doesn't come to camp shouldn't be called a "holdout"? That term has been used for as long as I can remember. For a recent example, there are many articles about the Bears' Roquan Smith being a "holdout":

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...-chicago-bears

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-brian-urlacher-roquan-smith-holdout-20180803-story.html

The term "holdout" has been used for unsigned tagged players and RFAs or as long as those categories have been around. For example, Ryan grant was called a "holdout" in 2008 when he refused to sign his restricted free agent tender offer:

https://onmilwaukee.com/sports/artic...amp080308.htmlWhy is it confusing now?

Example of franchise-tagged players referred to as potential holdouts, including Brees, Forte, Ray Rice and Welker:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-tag-holdouts

Josh Norman was called a holdout in the same circumstances two years ago:

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2016/03/22/should-josh-normans-potential-holdout-concern-panthers-fans/

Why, now, is it suddenly confusing?

[texaspackerbacker]

Didn't the Steelers blitz more than most teams do in the preseason?

I didn't hear T.J. Watt mentioned at all. Was he injured or just kept out or what?

And speaking of former Badgers, I didn't see anything of Vince Biegel - injured or what?

[pbmax]

So a drafted player who doesn't sign a contract and doesn't come to camp shouldn't be called a "holdout"? That term has been used for as long as I can remember. For a recent example, there are many articles about the Bears' Roquan Smith being a "holdout":

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...-chicago-bears

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-brian-urlacher-roquan-smith-holdout-20180803-story.html

The term "holdout" has been used for unsigned tagged players and RFAs or as long as those categories have been around. For example, Ryan grant was called a "holdout" in 2008 when he refused to sign his restricted free agent tender offer:

https://onmilwaukee.com/sports/artic...amp080308.htmlWhy is it confusing now?

Example of franchise-tagged players referred to as potential holdouts, including Brees, Forte, Ray Rice and Welker:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-tag-holdouts

Josh Norman was called a holdout in the same circumstances two years ago:

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2016/03/22/should-josh-normans-potential-holdout-concern-panthers-fans/

Why, now, is it suddenly confusing?

Its been used poorly for a long time. I am not arguing that. But if you aren't under contract, calling it a holdout and comparing it to what Mack is doing makes the issue less clear. Fans have decried forever about holdouts. Favre didn't like Walker's holdout. No one liked Sharpe reporting late (it was Sharpe, right?).

No one likes hold outs. Everyone can understand it takes two people to agree to have a contract.

[pbmax]

Didn't the Steelers blitz more than most teams do in the preseason?

Yes.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I didn't hear T.J. Watt mentioned at all. Was he injured or just kept out or what?

And speaking of former Badgers, I didn't see anything of Vince Biegel - injured or what?

Watt was an injured no-show. Biegel played but he was so invisible, he coulda played naked and not one soul woulda noticed.

In a move that reeked incompetence, Todd traded down when he coulda legally acquired Watts’ slavery, err, service.