Official Packers vs. Steelers Game Day Thread

[pbmax]

I don't think it is worth having, because I think any confusion is minimal at most.

Then we disagree.

[Guiness]

I don't think it is worth having, because I think any confusion is minimal at most.

Not sure what to make of your line of attack in this thread. You've done the devil's advocate thing (well) in the past, but you don't seem intent on debating here, only responding to pbmax, and not me despite my initially raising the issue and holding the same view.

Is there an axe to grind here?

[Guiness]

Not my initial inclination. That was to find a replacement for it but failed to do so in the time allowed for internet commenting.

I should have simply said he will be out of camp, refusing to sign the tender until the last moment.

I also think using the term holdout helps the owners in the 'managment vs union' approach to this, using a word with a negative connotation to describe the behavior of employees playing well within the rules.

[red]

its weird. team or player

the team is basically a old rich guy who only wants to make as much money as he can. the players are the employees, or basically us

however, we cheer for the team. we're all packer fans or cowboys fans or browns fans. and most of us will still remain fans even after players come and go, even if the team treats them like complete shit. coaches and GMs and everyone else come and go too. just the team name and the guy who owns them stays the same

you would think we would side with the players because they more closely represent us and our constant battle against the man who has us under his thumb. but for whatever reason (probably the owners convincing us that the players are the bad guys), we decide to stick with the POS owners. even though every team (including green bay)has been extorting more and more money from all of us, to line their pockets, and if we agree, the team will move somewhere else

and to help convince the fans that the players are the bad guys, they use terms like "holdout", when in fact they have a shit offer on the table that the player refused

[CaptainKickass]

It's dah hoe 'ting:

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Pbmax has been Patlerized. Patler has been Pbmaxed. Bobble, O’Day and the Kentucky all have been Tanked.

The only fucker who makes any sense in this thread is Red, but his last post in here shoulda been posted in FYI instead.

He said, I’m gonna buy a gun and start a war
if you can tell me something worth fighting for
(For some uncool reason, my Coldplay sig doesn’t show up when I post from phone, so allow me to manually post it. I like reading the sig after each post b/c it gives me hope, even though hope is but an illusion.)

[pbmax]

Matthews on run defense troubles:

“Oh, my God, you get a sample size of a few missed tackles? I mean, that’s what the preseason is for,” linebacker Clay Matthews said. “It’s for the media and fans to freak out, and for us to remain calm. That’s the great thing about it, it’s preseason. The mistakes you make, they’re easily correctable. And, you know, we had 10 guys on the field on the second touchdown run, a few missed tackles here and gap alignments and a few players, and that’s what happens. But we’ve got a new scheme, some young players, and we’re all trying to work toward Week 1. We’ve done some great things in the first two weeks, and we’ve done some not-so-great things. But the thing is, we’re moving closer to where we want to be come Sunday night. So to answer your question, I wouldn’t put too much thought into it. I know, obviously, it doesn’t look good, but we’ll be fine. The run defense has always been all right.”

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/ContentGallery/Green-Bay-Packers-training-camp-notes-for-Practice-13-So-much-for-dress-rehearsal-with-Aaron-Rodgers-likely-to-sit-vs-Oakland-120871964/#120871964_5

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm holding out on which side of the hold out debate I'm on.

[mraynrand]

Also no one seems to have seen this so I will repost, Muhammed Wilkerson looks done. D-U-N done.

It was preseason, so it doesn't count and he might not care, but he was invisible for most of the game and got knocked around.

If you think a guy like Wilky is gonna put out in preseason, I'd like to sell you a bridge. If I were any of those veteran linemen, I'd just be out there to limber up, get my assignments down and prevent myself from getting injured. I would never go anywhere near 100%.

[pbmax]

If you think a guy like Wilky is gonna put out in preseason, I'd like to sell you a bridge. If I were any of those veteran linemen, I'd just be out there to limber up, get my assignments down and prevent myself from getting injured. I would never go anywhere near 100%.

I am just mildly worried. I will hold off on panic and blame until the 2nd quarter of the Bears game.

In other words, just after posts the 2019 Draft Thread.

EDIT: just after red posts the 2019 Draft Thread ...

[mraynrand]

I am just mildly worried. I will hold off on panic and blame until the 2nd quarter of the Bears game.

In other words, just after posts the 2019 Draft Thread.

That sounds about right

[Patler]

Not sure what to make of your line of attack in this thread. You've done the devil's advocate thing (well) in the past, but you don't seem intent on debating here, only responding to pbmax, and not me despite my initially raising the issue and holding the same view.

Is there an axe to grind here?

Not at all. My first comment on the subject was a direct reply to your post that brought it up. In fact, I quoted your statement:

Yelled at the TV early in the game when one of the announcers (can't remember which) mentioned Le'Veon Bell's 'holdout'. No you ass, a holdout is when you are under contract and don't show up. Try 'the Steelers have not signed Bell'?

I think the Steelers franchise tagged him again, didn't they? He has refused the franchise tender, which is typically referred to as a holdout, just as unsigned draftees and restricted free agents are. In each of those situations, the team has rights in the player, even if the player has not signed.

(Sorry for this untimely reply. I come here only once or twice in a typical week these days. Many more important things taking up my time right now.)

[mraynrand]

(Sorry for this untimely reply. I come here only once or twice in a typical week these days. Many more important things taking up my time right now.)

Don't apologize. I personally feel privileged that you spared some of your valuable time from many more important things to come down here and set the record straight on franchise-tag-denying hold-outs.

[pbmax]

Don't apologize. I personally feel privileged that you spared some of your valuable time from many more important things to come down here and set the record straight on franchise-tag-denying contract disputes.

FIFY.

Never Surrender!