Official Backup QB bitching thread

[mraynrand]

Both Kizer and Hundley tuck and run too early. But man they had some piss poor blocking on some pass plays. Hard to tell. I still think Kizer looks a little better at progressing through his reads.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Kizer also played against lower level defenders than Hundley - and IMO Hundley did better.

I didn't study it that closely, but i thought Kizer was a bit more decisive, and he is quicker moving around in pocket.

I really hate the "playing against third stringers" argument. The late game QB also has third stringers blocking and catching for him.

BTW, what would Boyle look like if he threw to receivers Thursday who could, you know, catch balls right in their hands?

You might be right that Hundley is better than Kizer. I'm judging by very limited impressions. And of course the coaches watch these guys for 50 practices if you count all the minicamps.

[red]

Both Kizer and Hundley tuck and run too early. But man they had some piss poor blocking on some pass plays. Hard to tell. I still think Kizer looks a little better at progressing through his reads.

so does a-rod, although he usually runs to a spot where he can still throw the ball

must be something thats being taught

[texaspackerbacker]

It's because of the damn O Line - almost no blocking at all for any of the QBs. And they couldn't run block either.

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I didn't study it that closely, but i thought Kizer was a bit more decisive, and he is quicker moving around in pocket.

I really hate the "playing against third stringers" argument. The late game QB also has third stringers blocking and catching for him.

BTW, what would Boyle look like if he threw to receivers Thursday who could, you know, catch balls right in their hands?

You might be right that Hundley is better than Kizer. I'm judging by very limited impressions. And of course the coaches watch these guys for 50 practices if you count all the minicamps.

so, by that rational. if you or I played full time QB in a game against a bunch of 8 year olds, and threw 20 tds with a beer in one hand

we should be ready for the nfl hall of fame

the talent you're playing against does matter a lot imo

[pbmax]

The savior might be available again after cut down day.

Mike Triplett @MikeTriplett
Ruling confirmed. Interception. ... You don't want to overreact to a preseason performance. But since Taysom Hill was raw to start with, he needed to show enough polish to win the No. 2 job. His struggles tonight won't help. He should stick as a developmental guy regardless tho.

[Harlan Huckleby]

so, by that rational. if you or I played full time QB in a game against a bunch of 8 year olds, and threw 20 tds with a beer in one hand

we should be ready for the nfl hall of fame

the talent you're playing against does matter a lot imo

In your scenario, you would be so much better than the eight year olds that you would be awesome.

You force Aaron Rodgers to play with the 4th quarter nut squad against the other team's rag tag defense and Rodgers won't necessarily shine. He can't just kick-away the rushers like you did to the 8-year olds. He needs a functioning offense around him to work his magic. Throwing to shitty receivers covered by shitty defenders won"t necessarily look great.

[Fritz]

Bring black Taysom Hill!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Packers got rid of a malcontent. If they get anything out of Kizer, I think it was a good deal.

Randall is a starter at safety now and sounds content.

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/browns/safety-damarious-randall-says-browns-showed-they-have-dominant-defense

I don't know how Randall compares to the Packer depth in secondary. On face of it, Browns got the best of the deal. Maybe Kiser will yet beat out out Hundley.

[RashanGary]

Hundley is ok this year. He’d play better than last year for sure. And Graham would help him a lot more than Nelson did. Nelson was more chemistry with AR than actually talented last year.

But his arm talent is, well, average at best. I’d be happier keeping both kizer and Boyle and seeing if one pans out. Hundleys ceiling seems to be .500. Not good enough to waste a roster spot on when we have two guys who have a chance to be better than that.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Hundleys ceiling seems to be .500. Not good enough to waste a roster spot on when we have two guys who have a chance to be better than that.

This is what I think, but I'd put it slightly different way. If Rodgers goes down for 5 games, how many games will the Packers win with Hundley behind center? I guess 0 or 1. I think you want a backup who can win 2 games in a typical 5 game stretch, assuming you have an otherwise playoff caliber team. Anything more than that would be gravy. A good team often could drop 3 games and still make the playoffs. This is my threshold for a backup that is worth a shit.

I'd like to see if Kiser or Boyle have a shot at that level of competence.

[red]

Hundley is ok this year. He’d play better than last year for sure.

based on what? him being a half year older?

he already had over 2 full seasons in the system before taking over the starter duties. even fat mike said he was ready, and he was very blah

i think we saw his ceiling last year, and it wasn't good enough

now kizer didn't lite up the world last year, but it was his first year in a very shitty system. who knows what he can do. we haven't seen his best yet. imo

[Bretsky]

Didn't know Eliot was the GM.

Packers got rid of a malcontent. If they get anything out of Kizer, I think it was a good deal.

Doesn't Eliott have the same responsibilities as he did with GB ? If so he may have facilitated this.

Cleaners

[Bretsky]

Randall is a starter at safety now and sounds content.

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/browns/safety-damarious-randall-says-browns-showed-they-have-dominant-defense

I don't know how Randall compares to the Packer depth in secondary. On face of it, Browns got the best of the deal. Maybe Kiser will yet beat out out Hundley.

CONGRATS

1st to come clean

[Guiness]

based on what? him being a half year older?

he already had over 2 full seasons in the system before taking over the starter duties. even fat mike said he was ready, and he was very blah

i think we saw his ceiling last year, and it wasn't good enough

now kizer didn't lite up the world last year, but it was his first year in a very shitty system. who knows what he can do. we haven't seen his best yet. imo

A few posters have said Hundley looked better than last year, but it really didn't look like it to me. If anything, worse and unconfident. I was thinking of looking for a copy of the game to watch him and see if I missed anything.

If anyone knows where I can get a copy of it, can you pm me?