Bret Hundley

[The Shadow]

He just needs another 3 years. Or 4. Or 5. Or 10.

[Pugger]

Favre era backups:
Don Majkowski (briefly)
Ty Detmer
Mark Brunell
Jim McMahon
Doug Pederson
Steve Bono
Matt Hasselbeck
Craig Nall
Aaron Rodgers
(convienently omitted third stringers: TJ Rubley, Danny Wuerffel , JT O'Sullivan )

Aaron Rodgers understudies:
Matt Flynn
Graham Harrell
Senaca Wallace
Scott Tolzien
Brett Hundley
(washouts: Brian Brohm, Vince Young, B.J. Coleman, others I forget)

The Favre era was a friggin QB Hall of Fame in comparison

In the Favre era there were a lot of good QBs around both starting and as backups. Today the league can't find 32 competent starters for each team let alone a decent backup...

[Harlan Huckleby]

Pete Dougherty chat

http://live.packersnews.com/Event/Packers_chat_with_Pete_Dougherty_68

Pete, barring injury I can't see Kaiser not making the 53. so what does Hundley have to do in these last 2 pre-season games to also secure his spot on the 53? Or is he primarily auditioning for a spot on someone else's 53?

I tend to agree. Kizer has looked better in practice recently and last week's game too, I think he's created a little daylight, at least in the sense that he's more physically talented than Hundley, and it's starting to show. I'd forgotten this until a friend on the beat pointed this out, but second-round picks' salary is guaranteed in Year 2, so even if the Packers cut him they'd have to pay him. I don't know the Packers' thinking on Hundley, but I'm thinking that if he plays well enough to keep on the 53, then that might/should be enough to get a seventh-round pick for him. I'd just have trouble justifying keeping both if I"m the Packers, especially if Boyle does well enough that there'd be some risk of another team picking him up if the Packers tried to slip him through to the practice squad. But they very well might see it differently, they've put a lot of time into Hundley, and he's looking better than he did last season.

Tomorrow's game could change everything. Then we have over a week of more drama. We're definitely going to need another Hundley poll, maybe two.

[Harlan Huckleby]

In the Favre era there were a lot of good QBs around both starting and as backups. Today the league can't find 32 competent starters for each team let alone a decent backup...

I don't see how that can possibly be true. There are still the same number of college teams developing talent. QB is still a glory position that high school star athletes want to play.

Maybe, just maybe, QB has become more difficult to play? Nah, I think Ted & Mike's Excellent QB Adventure has been rocky.

[mraynrand]

I disagree that Hundley looks better than last season. He looks reasonably adequate in this year's preseason, like previous years. We have no idea if he'll be improved if he has to play in a regular season game. That's the risk with him. The risk with Kizer Söze is that he'll have the same mental breakdowns in critical situations as he did in regular season games last year. 11TDs, 22INTs...

[mraynrand]

I don't see how that can possibly be true. There are still the same number of college teams developing talent. QB is still a glory position that high school star athletes want to play.

Maybe, just maybe, QB has become more difficult to play? Nah, I think Ted & Mike's Excellent QB Adventure has been rocky.

In '95, Kerry Collins, Dave Brown, Trent Dilfer, Rick Mirer, Rodney Peete, and Drew Bledsoe were the suckiest starting QBs. Awful QBs like Heath Shuler, Bubby Brister, Eric Zeier, and Mike Tomczak also got a few games in each. You could probably make an argument that the QB ranks were worse in 1995, but even with elevated QB ratings, you have the worst QBs in 2017 being Kizer, Brissett, Winston, Cutler, McCown, Siemian, Trubisky, Hundley with guys like Beathard, Savage, Hoyer, Osweiller, Gabbert, Fitzpatrick, Stanton, Glennon and Moore getting starts. Just seems to me that the QB play in 2017 was worse than 1995 overall.

Maybe QB play isn't harder, maybe the QBs coming out are more dumberer? Or less experienced?

[Pugger]

In '95, Kerry Collins, Dave Brown, Trent Dilfer, Rick Mirer, Rodney Peete, and Drew Bledsoe were the suckiest starting QBs. Awful QBs like Heath Shuler, Bubby Brister, Eric Zeier, and Mike Tomczak also got a few games in each. You could probably make an argument that the QB ranks were worse in 1995, but even with elevated QB ratings, you have the worst QBs in 2017 being Kizer, Brissett, Winston, Cutler, McCown, Siemian, Trubisky, Hundley with guys like Beathard, Savage, Hoyer, Osweiller, Gabbert, Fitzpatrick, Stanton, Glennon and Moore getting starts. Just seems to me that the QB play in 2017 was worse than 1995 overall.

Maybe QB play isn't harder, maybe the QBs coming out are more dumberer? Or less experienced?

I wonder if QBs coming out of the college ranks aren't ready for the NFL because so many use spread offenses.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I don't see how that can possibly be true. There are still the same number of college teams developing talent. QB is still a glory position that high school star athletes want to play.

Maybe, just maybe, QB has become more difficult to play? Nah, I think Ted & Mike's Excellent QB Adventure has been rocky.

I blame CBA football. QBs used to spend 24 hours a day at the office. McCarthy’s QB school was hip. Nowadays, players only have 3 hours a day at the building to do football stuff.

That, plus the influx of black qbs. QBs are meant to be pale, and corners are meant to be dark. (Wink icon) 🏉

[MadScientist]

Hundley will be cut. He can't make all the throws and against a real coverage all he can do are short check-downs and WR screens. They won't get a conditional 7th for him.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Now that I am fully a Kiser sniffer, I gotta make the point that Kiser's eratic play last year means exactly nothing. He entered the draft after his redshirt sophomore year (ridiculous), and in six months he's thrown on the field for an expansion team, the Kleeburg Browns or some such outfit. He was a 21 year old kid who should have played two more years in college. He should have been a third stringer in the NFL.

[mraynrand]

Now that I am fully a Kiser sniffer, I gotta make the point that Kiser's eratic play last year means exactly nothing. He entered the draft after his redshirt sophomore year (ridiculous), and in six months he's thrown on the field for an expansion team, the Kleeburg Browns or some such outfit. He was a 21 year old kid who should have played two more years in college. He should have been a third stringer in the NFL.

All true, but sometimes when young kids get tossed into that environment they develop habits that are hard to break. Stubby broke Rodger's Tedford conditioning, so maybe he can re-program Kizer. Maybe.

[Vincenzo]

It was shocking how bad Brett Hundley was in Oakland. Although his statistics for the game didn't reflect just how poorly he played.
He ended up 8 for 14 and 78 yards, but his passer rating was 72.9

[Tony Oday]

Hundley cant make fast decisions, which lead to holding onto the ball too long which lead to sacks.

[pbmax]

I wonder if QBs coming out of the college ranks aren't ready for the NFL because so many use spread offenses.

That has been the complaint of NFL coaches since the time of Big Ten dominance and the wishbone. Colleges never ran pro offenses, generally.

The West Coast offense was one of the few systems to make its way to the colleges from the pros and people have documented how long it takes to implement because of limited practice time (rule first instituted in college in late 80s).

NFL writers who make this claim think the history of QB development only goes back to Walsh at Stanford.

It more that NFL coaches have had trouble adapting their teaching to more limited time. If you are smart and use what you have (see Doug Pederson) there isn't a problem. Its the square peg in round hole types that are in trouble.

[texaspackerbacker]

You guys would seriously whine about Hundley thinking slow or getting himself sacked or whatever, when Kizer was a helluva lot slower and worse? And when the blame for either goes to Ted Thompon's legacy which is the pathetic excuse for an O Line they are forced to play behind? Sheeeeesh!