Studs And Duds - Packers vs. Bears

[HowardRoark]

I'll quibble with you here: that's personal success, but not NFL success.

I’ll continue the quibble and say that personal success is subjective.

The point being.....Partial is wrong on all the quibbles.

[texaspackerbacker]

Say what you want about Hundley - and I'm sure the detractors will continue doing that, but he usually showed caution and good sense kinda like Aaron Rodgers. Kizer was and is a dud because he does not. Even at least one of his completions was kinda up for grabs and coulda been intercepted.

The O Line was pretty horrible too - lowered expectations maybe made them seem half decent, but compared to just about any other O Line in the league, they stunk.

Clay Matthews didn't seem as bad to me as a lot of people claim. He is now like a baseball hitter with "warning track power" - almost never getting all the way to the QB. He did, however, cut off some paths and with that one glaring exception, play with good sense. I still wish they would play him at ILB.

Jimmy Graham also was not a dud. The Bears apparently thought covering him was such a priority that our WRs got a little less attention. Also, he was called on to block or at least chip on his way out, making him less effective as a receiver. I'm still hopeful he is all we hoped he would be.

On the stud side, obviously Rodgers and all the WRs (I take back the bad I have said about Randall Cobb). It seemed like the D Line did its job most of the time in a studly way. The ILBs were the ones who allowed those cutbacks and missed a bunch of tackles. Most of the time our young Corners did ok. Brice was all over the field making tackles, but I'm not so sure he wasn't also out of position a lot.

[woodbuck27]

The results of Bears @ Packers on this past Sunday evening was beyond description ourageously amazing.

Well this .....Aaron Rodgers !

[pbmax]

OK, we need to clip the chip narrative in the bud. They chipped Mack maybe 5 times.

They did line some people up on his side of the formation and the reaction of the D was to send him wider and harder to chip.

[Teamcheez1]

OK, we need to clip the chip narrative in the bud. They chipped Mack maybe 5 times.

They did line some people up on his side of the formation and the reaction of the D was to send him wider and harder to chip.

Graham was used to chip Mack twice in the game. Bulaga held his own in the second half after a terrible start. People are selling this O line short.

[Joemailman]

Check out McCarren's talk on this. https://www.packers.com/video/rock-r...roblem-solving They slid blocking coverage to the right, leaving Bakhtiari totally on an island.

Bakhtiari is probably the 2nd best player on this team.

[pbmax]

Check out McCarren's talk on this. https://www.packers.com/video/rock-r...roblem-solving They slid blocking coverage to the right, leaving Bakhtiari totally on an island.

Bakhtiari is probably the 2nd best player on this team.

I don't think that is the whole story. They may have slid right on some sequences, maybe because of overload blitz looks, but McCarthy said, and I believe him, that they only adjustment they made was in the middle.

In his example, Larry thinks they are sliding right to Mack, but he is wrong. They are sliding right because there are four potential pas rushers to the right of center. If they don't slide, it'll be 3 on 3 and one of those 3 blockers is a TE. Not a good matchup. So they leave the ILB to Monty and slide right.

If they don't slide, the only help (Monty) is on the wrong side of the overload.

The question to ask is what was expected of Graham in this scenario? Was he expected to block, chip or just force someone wide? In this case he blocked.

And the Bears might have expected this call because they looped Mack around to the Packer left with had two blockers looking at two rushers and they almost slid him by.

[smuggler]

Check out McCarren's talk on this. https://www.packers.com/video/rock-r...roblem-solving They slid blocking coverage to the right, leaving Bakhtiari totally on an island.

Bakhtiari is probably the 2nd best player on this team.

Right now it's either Bakhtiari or Clark. Adams is good, but not top-3 at his position. You can make the case for Clark as a top-3 pure NT.

[pbmax]

In that pass rush McCarren is breaking down, the Bears get the better of the calls. Mack stunts AFTER Linsley helps out on the DT and Bulaga has no one to block. Leaves Mack open up the middle.

Its almost as if they expected that adjustment.

[mraynrand]

Its almost as if they expected that adjustment.

They probably knew every play before the Packers even ran 'em.

[mraynrand]

In his example, Larry thinks they are sliding right to Mack, but he is wrong. They are sliding right because there are four potential pas rushers to the right of center. If they don't slide, it'll be 3 on 3 and one of those 3 blockers is a TE. Not a good matchup. So they leave the ILB to Monty and slide right.

This reminds me: For all the talk of Marcedes Lewis being a key blocker in pass pro, I really don't recall much of him being in there at all. Saw ton of Graham, but he seemed to be running routes. Have to look at the TE more closely when I look at the game again...

[Joemailman]

This reminds me: For all the talk of Marcedes Lewis being a key blockt of the niger in pass pro, I really don't recall much of him being in there at all. Saw ton of Graham, but he seemed to be running routes. Have to look at the TE more closely when I look at the game again...

Lewis was on the field for only 7 snaps. Packers went with 3 WR's plus Graham most of the night.

[Tony Oday]

AR seemed to get the ball out faster in the second half, instead of dancing around looking for a homerun ball.

[Fritz]

Lewis was on the field for only 7 snaps. Packers went with 3 WR's plus Graham most of the night.

I wonder if they'll take the Mercedes for a spin on Sunday in order to keep that Minnesota pass rush at bay.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Say what you want about Hundley - and I'm sure the detractors will continue doing that, but he usually showed caution and good sense kinda like Aaron Rodgers. Kizer was and is a dud because he does not. Even at least one of his completions was kinda up for grabs and coulda been intercepted.

The O Line was pretty horrible too - lowered expectations maybe made them seem half decent, but compared to just about any other O Line in the league, they stunk.

Clay Matthews didn't seem as bad to me as a lot of people claim. He is now like a baseball hitter with "warning track power" - almost never getting all the way to the QB. He did, however, cut off some paths and with that one glaring exception, play with good sense. I still wish they would play him at ILB.

Jimmy Graham also was not a dud. The Bears apparently thought covering him was such a priority that our WRs got a little less attention. Also, he was called on to block or at least chip on his way out, making him less effective as a receiver. I'm still hopeful he is all we hoped he would be.

On the stud side, obviously Rodgers and all the WRs (I take back the bad I have said about Randall Cobb). It seemed like the D Line did its job most of the time in a studly way. The ILBs were the ones who allowed those cutbacks and missed a bunch of tackles. Most of the time our young Corners did ok. Brice was all over the field making tackles, but I'm not so sure he wasn't also out of position a lot.

Other than the part 'bout the Hun, excellent post.