More Banjo: Week 2 versus Vikings

[Joemailman]

I have changed my stance that it was the worst call ever. But it might be the worst rule ever. I'm wondering what the NFL thinks Matthews was supposed to do. Only use one arm? Slow down so you don't lift the QB off the ground when you hit him?

[Pugger]

I maintain the Matthews hit was legit according to rules. Ref called him because shoulder was into Cousins.

But he kept weight off Cousins (remember they cannot drive QB into turf with full weight of body) by putting one hand and then two knees into the turf. Kendricks left hist feet and didn't take weight off hit until he rolled over Rodgers prone body.

Well, evidently the fools in NY are now going to use Clay's hit as an example of what NOT to do when tackling a QB. Its going to get that defenders can't even sneeze on the QB...

[Pugger]

Fuck CMIII he needs to learn how not to rough a passer. He drove him to the ground. Keep your damn head up.

BS! On another forum I saw a clip of a Jax defender tackle Tom freaking Brady the same damn way and it wasn't a penalty.

[Pugger]

I waded through the last four pages here since I last was on, and hell yeah, the Matthews hit was NOT illegal - old rules, new rules, any rules. The only play where the news rules entered into it was Daniels acting out of fear of a penalty on that near-sack. Enough has been said about Matthews, though.

The rotten call on Lane Taylor was just as egregious, and the no call of pass interference when Graham's arm was clearly grabbed before the ball arrived was worse yet and probably had more effect on the game.

I haven't read much here about Davante Adams' TD catch that was taken away. Clearly - to me - he was on the ground with possession - hand pinning it to thigh or body - before the ball started to come loose. Anybody disagree with that?

For all those reasons, this game was stolen from the Packers.

A MN defender knocked it out of Davante's hand in the end zone. It was unfortunate but I don't blame Adams there. What was really BAD was OPI on Adams the play before the non PI call when the queen defender grabbed Graham's arm. I've seen other "push-offs" by other WRs that were more obvious that didn't get flagged.

[Pugger]

the Packers would have won if the rules were correctly enforced.

But I don't feel that bad about it because the Vikings played a good second half, they made big plays. It's not like the Packers dominated them if you look at big picture. So packers got fucked, but vaseline was used.

[Pugger]

Well, then color me unseemly cause I'm upset. Cause it doesn't matter if NFL reviews the call and says sorry, we blew it, that is a win we ain't gonna get back this year.

True but what do defenders do now? Back off like Daniels did and not play defense??

[Pugger]

Same. They played some shitty D in the 4th and kicked 3 FGs

Yes, but we aren't the team with the lousy kicker.

[Smidgeon]

With the NFL doubling down on the ridiculous roughing the passer call, it's clear to me we've entered another era in the NFL. Like the "no touching the receiver after 5 yards", this is dramatically changing the game, although in that case, there seemed to be technique that could reasonably be applied so it wasn't just pitch and catch. In this case, it's difficult to see what a defender should do. There isn't a lot of room between Clay late in the game and Daniels early in the game. It seems the NFL would prefer the Daniels move instead, and that cheapens the game dramatically.

I will always be a Packers fan, and I will always watch the games. I'm indoctrinated enough that it isn't really an alternative. But this new emphasis has taken a lot of the fun out of it.

[Pugger]

The defense doesn't look noticeably different from last year before Rodgers' injury. We just can't get off the field at crunch time. That's why Rodgers was forced to attempt 2 throws into the endzone with less than 2 minutes left in regulation.

After the poor call on Matthews, the Vikings scored a TD, 2 point conversion, medium length FG attempt in OT, and short FG attempt in OT. We missed a medium to long FG attempt, and then nothing. Their defense was there in OT, ours wasn't.

We outplayed them for 3/4 of the game, they strongly outplayed us the last 1/4 with the game on the line. If not for a rookie FG kicker that looked like he belonged on the Browns and a 3rd year receiver that couldn't catch anything, we lose.

I get what you are saying but if the correct calls BEFORE the Clay penalty are called correctly we have TDs instead of FGs.

[Pugger]

Packers suffered from a classic M3 problem late on offense. He doesn't like calling things they haven't repped during the week and with an injured Rodgers, the call sheet was sparse.

As has been the case frequently since the great offensive slowdown in 2014, their wrinkles are mostly limited to throwing a pass behind the LOS.

He did run a couple of bunches and one slant. But until Rodgers is healthy, this offense will continue to suffer stalling.

I had no problem with M3 calling for those passes after HHCD's INT. I like his aggresiveness trying to get 6 instead of 3.

[Rutnstrut]

Packers suffered from a classic M3 problem late on offense. He doesn't like calling things they haven't repped during the week and with an injured Rodgers, the call sheet was sparse.

As has been the case frequently since the great offensive slowdown in 2014, their wrinkles are mostly limited to throwing a pass behind the LOS.

He did run a couple of bunches and one slant. But until Rodgers is healthy, this offense will continue to suffer stalling.

The offense sputters when Rodgers is healthy. Stubby is the problem. If things don't go almost exactly as he has planned in his little pea brain. He isn't worth a shit. He probably has panic attacks when they change up the buffet at Golden Corral. He is horrible at coaching on the fly, which a NFL coach kind of needs to do.

[Rutnstrut]

True but what do defenders do now? Back off like Daniels did and not play defense??

Flag football or 2 hand touch.

[texaspackerbacker]

It seems like what Daniels should have done is just wrap up the QB in a big gentle bear hug and not let him go until he hears a whistle.

[Fosco33]

Well I guess there will not be an apology forthcoming.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky
As @TomPelissero said, the NFL is not only saying Clay Matthews’ hit was a penalty but it’s going to be used as teaching tool for what not to do.

“The technique of grabbing the passer from behind the leg or legs, scooping and pulling in an upward motion, is a foul.”

It’s a discount double down!

[mraynrand]

It seems like what Daniels should have done is just wrap up the QB in a big gentle bear hug and not let him go until he hears a whistle.

Not too far off. I think the coaching will catch up with the rules and you'll see more of this.