Resolved: The Problem With The Packer Offense Is

[red]

i think we've brought this up in years past, but his progession seems to be backwards, or else he's just not going through it

he seems to be locking on to that deep guy and if that doesn't work, we do the scramble drill, when he should be looking at shot to mid to long to dump off to scramble drill. or something more along those lines

if he's just locking on to the deep guy, then by the time he figures out if hes gonna get open or not, everyone else has run their routes and is just standing there waiting for him to start running

gotta take him back to QB 101, and get him to start looking at everyone

[Joemailman]

True, there were way more plays with good pass blocking than usual - most of the time would be a stretch. However, way too many times, they let the D right through - including Bakhtiari screwing up so bad on the first strip sack.

Rodgers held the ball for 5.2 seconds on that sack. That's on Rodgers.

[texaspackerbacker]

Bakhtiari missed his block in the first second of the play. That happens a LOT to Packer O Linemen. Usually Rodgers is mobile enough to scramble away from trouble even now with his injury. That time, the standard poor pass blocking bit the team in the ass.

I get fed up with stupid complaints about Rodgers not getting rid of the ball quick enough. His fantastically good record of few interceptions is directly related to not putting it up for grabs - as some in here seem to wish for.

[mraynrand]

^^^ All of that is consistent with Rodgers, pre-snap, looking at a particular guy and just not coming off. Even Nascar drivers have to let off the gas to round corners.

For example, "Blown coverage and Adams open twice on slant. Never sees him." - On this he has tunnel vision on the slot receiver, who beats his guy and has the TD - except the safety remains deep, but not totally committing. Rodgers, unsure, drops the check down. But because he had tunnel vision, he missed Adams. Also, loss of movement prevented him from bailing when Bulaga's block starting giving way.

[mraynrand]

Bakhtiari missed his block in the first second of the play.

Which one. I didn't see this on any of 'em

[Joemailman]

Which one. I didn't see this on any of 'em

Bakhtiari got beat to the inside, but because Rodgers was rolling to the right, he let the guy go rather than risk a penalty. The rusher was not near Rodgers at the time, and Bakhtiari had every reason to think the Rodgers would be able to get rid of the ball on time.

[mraynrand]

Bakhtiari got beat to the inside, but because Rodgers was rolling to the right, he let the guy go rather than risk a penalty. The rusher was not near Rodgers at the time, and Bakhtiari had every reason to think the Rodgers would be able to get rid of the ball on time.

Oh, I see. You're talking about the strip sack, not one of the videos/pics PBmax posted.

The O-line is fine. The 'counterpuncher' is just spouting again.

[pbmax]

For example, "Blown coverage and Adams open twice on slant. Never sees him." - On this he has tunnel vision on the slot receiver, who beats his guy and has the TD - except the safety remains deep, but not totally committing. Rodgers, unsure, drops the check down. But because he had tunnel vision, he missed Adams. Also, loss of movement prevented him from bailing when Bulaga's block starting giving way.

The blown coverage obviously changes things. For instance, there is a moment where it looks like the ILB will carry Adams on the slant, but he drops off once Rodgers takes note of the check down. But he is still open early.

But the WR stacked with Adams was never really open and had a safety deep PLUS the extra defender. The other WR got open on a seam but that is a timing throw to get the ball to him before he gets to safety depth.

The first read has to be the slant. That is a three step drop and throw.

Its not a clean play and because its unusual, I wouldn't expect this play to deliver 100% of the time because everything gets wonky fast. But two of his normal reads, the slant and the seam, both get open. And these quick progression reads are what he seems to be missing these days.

[mraynrand]

^^^ I don't know why he didn't take the slant - maybe his vision for it wasn't good over the tackle/guard block. Did he even see it??? But it does look like he's focusing on the seam receiver but doesn't pull the trigger early enough. Maybe it's just hesitation because (assuming it's the knee/brace) he's lost some confidence knowing his accuracy is off. That might explain the flat toss to MVS when two other routes were open on fourth down - inaccuracy down and away to the sideline can't get picked, but high or wide over the middle does. ???

[pbmax]

This is the problem in a nutshell. If you can do this with a bum leg, why throw short to Graham?

The other thing here is, the Packers O line is not a tire fire this year, but its not airtight as its been in other seasons with these tackles and center. That alone might argue for the short, quick offense.

[pbmax]

Speaking of GIFs from Twitter video, the ezgif.com site does wonders for converting to GIF, but it no longer seamlessly reads the video in a Tweet link. It just senses the text.

Does anyone know how how to pull the URL for just the Twitter video or have another site that does the translation necessary AND coverts it to GIF?

Because right now its three step process, download Twitter video (google it), ezgif to GIF it, then upload to Giphy.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

[mraynrand]

^^^. But that’s the classic crossing routes (without an actual rub). Rodgers didn’t go to TE because the LB was dropping. Rodgers also could have thrown that earlier in the pattern.

[mraynrand]

He gets that out with better pace, it’s a TD.

[pbmax]

He gets that out with better pace, it’s a TD.

If Adams catches it clean. That was the triple bobble catch.

[run pMc]

ugh..watching these makes me mad. There were a LOT of yards and points left on the field there.

Rodgers was late on a completion to MVS as well - Rodgers looked him off then came back to him and threw to him complete, but by then his momentum took him out of bounds. Throwing it to him in his first open window would have given more room for MVS to run after the catch, which for a guy that big/fast would have appeal.