Official Fire Mike McCarthy Thread

[pbmax]

No one ever blames the coach for overstepping his authority:

The best reason to allow Gutekunst to make the decision on his own is that Murphy let McCarthy dictate who his boss would be when Thompson was removed from his position. Murphy wanted to hire a true general manager, but McCarthy, according to a source, told his coaches that he would quit if Murphy hired Ball in that capacity, so Murphy changed his mind and created the new structure.

Solomonic wisdom rarely works well in day to day hiring.

The article blasts Rodgers for making faces and gestures and quotes former players. Funny it had none of Davante Adams quotes about how he knows exactly when Rodgers is miffed about his own play or a mistake out in a route. Doesn't seem hard to parse for a contemporary.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/11/27/silverstein-future-packers-mccarthy-should-gutekunsts-call/2126851002/

[Joemailman]

The original article does state explicitly that McCarthy is leading candidate to get the boot. But that notation really through me off. In a money line bet on a game, it might be Packers +130, Cardinals +105 or something like that. You need to bet $130 to get $100 for a Packers win, or $105 to get $100 for a Cardinals upset.

Understanding American Odds
American Odds Explained
As the name suggests, American Odds are mostly popular with sportsbooks here in the United States. American sports betting odds work differently for favorites and underdogs, and are sometimes known as Moneyline Odds.

American odds for betting on a favorite work by showing how much money you would have to risk in order to win $100. Let’s illustrate that concept with some football odds…

Example:

The Miami Dolphins are -110 to win Sunday’s gamePlacing a successful $110 bet on them yields $100 winnings You also get you original $110 bet backTotal payout = $210

Things are a little different when betting on an underdog, in that the positive number shows how much you can win if you risk $100. You may notice that this is similar to 'odds-on' bets in UK markets.

Example:

The Buffalo Bills have odds of +240 this SundayPlacing a successful $100 bet will yield $240 winnings You also get your $100 bet backTotal payout = $340

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[bobblehead]

The original article does state explicitly that McCarthy is leading candidate to get the boot. But that notation really through me off. In a money line bet on a game, it might be Packers +130, Cardinals +105 or something like that. You need to bet $130 to get $100 for a Packers win, or $105 to get $100 for a Cardinals upset.

No, a plus bet means you win that if you bet 100. A minus means you bet that amount to win 100. -130 means that you bet 130 to win 100. Plus 130 means you bet 100 to win 130. Think this way. Plus means they need to pay you plus money to get you to bet it. Minus means they get to pay you less money if you bet it.

[pbmax]

I'm cancelling the trip to Vegas.

[Pugger]

There doesn't need to be a long haul. It's a very fine difference between winning and losing in the NFL. Look at Philly the last few years:

2016: 7-9
2017: 13-3 and Super Bowl Champs
2018: 5-6

Packers need to fix their 3rd and 4th down conversion rates on offense. That's their biggest problem. That doesn't require a 4 year plan.

this

[pbmax]

Some changes to the Browns offense since the purge. Honestly, the route concepts are fine, but two of the videos show Manziel, I mean Mayfield, running an extended break out of the pocket offense. However, the double slant for the TD in the red zone should be stolen immediately.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/11/27/the-all-22-how-new-offensive-coordinator-freddie-kitchens-became-the-browns-mvp/2/

[mraynrand]

Comparing Manziel and Mayfield is pure evil. Get thee away from me, Satan!

[gbgary]

There doesn't need to be a long haul. It's a very fine difference between winning and losing in the NFL. Look at Philly the last few years:

2016: 7-9
2017: 13-3 and Super Bowl Champs
2018: 5-6



Packers need to fix their 3rd and 4th down conversion rates on offense. That's their biggest problem. That doesn't require a 4 year plan.

this is Green Bay not Phi or LA or KC. GB doesn't have a coachable qb on a rookie contract...and 3rd/4th down isn't their biggest problem. talent, depth, and ego are. this off-season the Packers are going to have to fix edge, multiple lb and o-line, safety, possibly wr and cb, issues. all that AND a new coach with a completely new offensive system (hopefully they keep Pettine). when it comes to free agency they'll have to pay more because it's GB. it's going to take guts and money (both dicey commodities) to win in the short term (which is all the Rodgers window has left). nope...it's going to take more than one season to fix this mess.

[Fritz]

I think they should just fire Starr. I know he was one of the greats, but his best season as coach has been that 8-7-1 year, and I think he was the one who hand-picked Rich Campbell. That Joe Montana guy from Notre Dame looks like he might pan out in SF.

I think they should either go after a successful NFL head coach - hell, Forrest Gregg's taken Cinci to a Super Bowl - or start over with an innovative offensive coordinator, like Lindy Infante. He's very forward-thinking regarding the passing game.

[Joemailman]

this is Green Bay not Phi or LA or KC. GB doesn't have a coachable qb on a rookie contract...and 3rd/4th down isn't their biggest problem. talent, depth, and ego are. this off-season the Packers are going to have to fix edge, multiple lb and o-line, safety, possibly wr and cb, issues. all that AND a new coach with a completely new offensive system (hopefully they keep Pettine). when it comes to free agency they'll have to pay more because it's GB. it's going to take guts and money (both dicey commodities) to win in the short term (which is all the Rodgers window has left). nope...it's going to take more than one season to fix this mess.

You been spending time with Wist?

[Pugger]

this is Green Bay not Phi or LA or KC. GB doesn't have a coachable qb on a rookie contract...and 3rd/4th down isn't their biggest problem. talent, depth, and ego are. this off-season the Packers are going to have to fix edge, multiple lb and o-line, safety, possibly wr and cb, issues. all that AND a new coach with a completely new offensive system (hopefully they keep Pettine). when it comes to free agency they'll have to pay more because it's GB. it's going to take guts and money (both dicey commodities) to win in the short term (which is all the Rodgers window has left). nope...it's going to take more than one season to fix this mess.

Do you really believe Rodgers in now uncoachable?

[scharpcheddar]

Do you really believe Rodgers in now uncoachable?

just sports propaganda.sports is tmz crap

[pbmax]

I think they should just fire Starr. I know he was one of the greats, but his best season as coach has been that 8-7-1 year, and I think he was the one who hand-picked Rich Campbell. That Joe Montana guy from Notre Dame looks like he might pan out in SF.

I think they should either go after a successful NFL head coach - hell, Forrest Gregg's taken Cinci to a Super Bowl - or start over with an innovative offensive coordinator, like Lindy Infante. He's very forward-thinking regarding the passing game.

Neo Ted gets that life has iterations, often repeating itself, looking for an alternative that don't always arrive.

[gbgary]

Do you really believe Rodgers in now uncoachable?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/29/gr...low_twitter_si

McCarthy is the play caller, but because Rodgers is so intelligent and such a good improvisational player, the quarterback has the green light to change plays on the field as he see fit. He does, so often that it can be hard for McCarthy to get into a rhythm as the play caller. McCarthy might call the same play three times in a game, without the play actually being run as he called it. And if McCarthy calls a play that Rodgers doesn’t like early in the game, that can sour the mood for the rest of the game. Several sources familiar with the inner workings of the organization say that it devolved into a competition over who can call the better play, and both want the credit when things go right.

[pbmax]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/29/gr...low_twitter_si

So the coach gave him the authority to change the call and now regrets it.

Why doesn't he take it back? Limit it to certain bad looks?

Because they have fallen into a pattern and neither wants it interrupted.