Official Fire Mike McCarthy Thread

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About GBGary's article: https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/29/gr...low_twitter_si

Paragraph 6: why didn't we sign Marshawn Lynch, Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez!?
Source: Andrew Brandt, John Schneider and Tank
Comment: What decade are talking about? Two of these guys are retired and the other is finished. Also, not moving on any of them is doing a lot of work to mislead instead of saying failed to sign. Packers made offers for each one.

Paragraph 7: Loud guys
Source: This is so dumb I can only assume Joe Arrigo.
Comment: Proof that this is true? Martellus Bennett, who they SIGNED!

Paragraph 8: No owner, led to complacency
Source: Mike Florio
Comment: You know all those quality owners who demand changes to the regime after 8 straight trips to the playoffs.

Paragraph 9: Take care of the football thing ~ Wolf
Source: Schneider, McKenzie, Dorsey or McCloughan
Comment: What else are we thinking Ted was focused on?

Paragraph 10: Team rules are byzantine.
Source: Who the hell cares?
Comment: No backwards hats. no undershirts showing under practice jerseys. Tidying up lockers. Man, I don't know how to make sense of this complexity.

Paragraph 12: “It’s an insane level of control,” says one person close to the organization. “No fun, it’s all about the Packer brand and being a vice president. The most important people in the organization are the VPs. The players and all that, that comes later.”
Source: Anyone have a guess?
Comment: Someone is mad at Russ Ball, who is the only VP mentioned and he gets the spotlight in the paragraph immediately prior to this




We'll get to the Rodgers-McCarthy stuff in a second.

[pbmax]

This is amazing, and how you get 4th quarter comebacks. But its also bad for the team. McCarthy doesn't always get to see the check the QB makes at the line (line of sight problem, paying attention to other things, adjustments that the QB room has decided on during the week that McCarthy misses because of HC duties, sideline discussion)

Because Rodgers has so much freedom, McCarthy’s frustration often comes from not knowing what check his quarterback went to and why. Kizer and Boyle have typically been in more conversations with Rodgers throughout the week, and sometimes explain his decisions to McCarthy in order to better set up future play calls. Early in the fourth quarter in Detroit this season, the Packers offense was running no huddle. Rodgers and Kizer had a few conversations on the sideline before the series about wanting to create matchup issues with Lions cornerback Darius Slay, bringing Adams inside, rather than lining him up outside. The QBs decided on a series of three playcalls focused on Adams, having him run crossers or sit down in the flat to eventually set up an out route that resulted in a red-zone touchdown. McCarthy wasn’t part of those conversations, so the quarterbacks explained that series to him afterward.

[pbmax]

This is possible, but I don't really buy this explanation. Van Pelt didn't have the backups ready and someone needed to go. The reason I leave some room for this to be possible is that hiring Frank Cignetti was the least inspired choice ever.

When asked why they think Van Pelt is no longer in Green Bay, several sources close to the team say they believe, because Van Pelt had Rodgers’s ear, McCarthy saw him as a threat.

[gbgary]

So the coach gave him the authority to change the call and now regrets it.

Why doesn't he take it back? Limit it to certain bad looks?

Because they have fallen into a pattern and neither wants it interrupted.

once MM allowed that genie out of the bottle there was no putting it back. some flexibility is good but wholesale ability to change things is bad. that's one reason i say the new coach is going to be between a rock and a hard place. reeling in the prima donna is going to be near impossible...and we already know he's not shy about calling out the coach.

[pbmax]

once MM allowed that genie out of the bottle there was no putting it back. some flexibility is good but wholesale ability to change things is bad. that's one reason i say the new coach is going to be between a rock and a hard place. reeling in the prima donna is going to be near impossible...and we already know he's not shy about calling out the coach.

That is the fault of the coach. Full stop. He wanted out of bad looks and gave Rodgers the freedom to call whatever he wanted.

One of the jobs of a head coach is to find a way to coach your best player. If this is an actual problem (and not just complaining to the press) then he has failed.

New coach just needs to install a new offense and give him limited options.

[Smidgeon]

The more I think about this, the more I'm coming around to believe that M3 isn't done because of a stale offense but because of his inability to coach up his best player.

[gbgary]

That is the fault of the coach. Full stop. He wanted out of bad looks and gave Rodgers the freedom to call whatever he wanted.

One of the jobs of a head coach is to find a way to coach your best player. If this is an actual problem (and not just complaining to the press) then he has failed.

New coach just needs to install a new offense and give him limited options.

agreed. what coach is going to want to take that on though. Rodgers will make a crack about how he wasn't allowed to change something and away we go.

[pbmax]

agreed. what coach is going to want to take that on though. Rodgers will make a crack about how he wasn't allowed to change something and away we go.

Coaches can convince themselves of a lot of things that seem non-sensical. Changing a players behavior from turd to blossom, getting a first round draft pick bust to perform.

Rodgers offers a coach a lot even if there are going to be headaches. Even Jimmy Johnson signed up with Dan Marino.

[George Cumby]

Great stuff PB, I'm glad you have the energy to sift through all that noise, I certainly don't.

For me it comes down to the team doesn't look sharp, hungry or motivated, they aren't playing particularly well and McCarthy looks flummoxed and bemused most of the time.

Time to cut the..........fat?

[mraynrand]

When asked why they think Van Pelt is no longer in Green Bay, several sources close to the team say they believe, because Van Pelt had Rodgers’s ear, McCarthy saw him as a threat.

I think Rodgers' and Van Pelts' hugs were uncomfortably long

[mraynrand]

Time to cut the..........fat?

[texaspackerbacker]

There's a whole lot of bullshit and idiocy being spewed in this thread.

[Fritz]

There's a whole lot of bullshit and idiocy being spewed in this thread.

You think they should Starr another year to turn it around?

[texaspackerbacker]

???

[mraynrand]

You think they should Starr another year to turn it around?

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