More Banjo: Week 5 @ Detroit

[pbmax]

Sure, either or both is sufficient to make him unreliable. But you have to have him out there for some passing downs to throw off the scent.

Play action fakes work better too.

[Joemailman]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/201...loss-to-lions/

Not sure if this should go in this thread, or in the Fire MM Thread. Either way, it's hard to argue with it.

Packers Offense: Last week, Aaron Rodgers said the Packers offense looked like that of a non-playoff team. After two quarters Sunday, it barely looked like a professional football team. The Packers offense looked as uninspired, undisciplined, and sloppy as it has looked all year. Aaron Rodgers was missing easy throws and giving up the football. Not to be outdone, Mike McCarthy continued to simply not use Aaron Jones, who only logged 22 snaps, and continued to force his receivers to consistently get open on isolation routes, which just resulted in Rodgers being forced to hang onto the ball and take hits. As stated last week, it’s tough to watch teams like the Los Angeles Rams, Kansas City Chiefs, and even the Chicago Bears utilize modern offensive schemes, while the Packers continue to essentially bank on Rodgers bailing them out. Something has to change if the Packers want to compete in the NFC, but it doesn’t seem like it will.

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that sums it up pretty nicely

i could have been written by about half the people on this site

[Tony Oday]

I still don't know why in the last decade it takes a month or so to get the offense running. The defense played well enough to win but didn't make the impact plays we needed. I pray that the Croz just has the one bad game. It is a puzzle to the entire fucking world that AJ does not get the rock a lot more.

[pbmax]

McCarthy did not just run the isolation routes, but its still too much a part of their game. They ran some nice slants off a receiver stack and flat/slant combo, Adams had a couple of those catches for good yardage. But several times and at least twice in the red zone, it was back to static offense and one on one matchups. Lions just mauled them early and hope the pass rush would arrive.

I think this is only partially by design. McCarthy does still trust this part of his offense and he has not committed to revamping the whole thing. But when they no huddle, I think these kinds of static plays happen more often AND especially when they go Rodgers extended offense.

I do think I have figured out the most baffling route of all, the 7 yard vertical, stop and turn around route. I think this is a byproduct of the hurry up and the Rodgers extended offense. I don't think all WR get the play call in the no huddle, or that play call is shortened to a couple of routes on one side of the ball. And those that don't get a specific job do this as a placeholder, driving off the defender, turning around and looking to see if the play is extended.

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I still don't know why in the last decade it takes a month or so to get the offense running. The defense played well enough to win but didn't make the impact plays we needed. I pray that the Croz just has the one bad game. It is a puzzle to the entire fucking world that AJ does not get the rock a lot more.

Little to no pre season work for a-rod and the #1s

[Joemailman]

Little to no pre season work for a-rod and the #1s

That could be a factor early. But in Week 5? That's just an excuse, not a reason.

[Packgator]

Eric Edholm @Eric_Edholm
Packers are 23-23-1 in their past 47 regular-season games

9 missed by Rodgers, 5 this year on bad leg. Pretty mediocre though.

23-23-1 says it all. Mediocre is what they are/have been for 47 games.

[Joemailman]

Offensive snap counts:



Defensive snap counts:

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Offensive snap counts:



Defensive snap counts:

WTF? J-Alex didn’t play?

Dumb Mike needs to bring back the Friday practice! Team has been underprepared, and taking Fridays off ain’t preventing team from milksopism!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I still don't know why in the last decade it takes a month or so to get the offense running. The defense played well enough to win but didn't make the impact plays we needed. I pray that the Croz just has the one bad game. It is a puzzle to the entire fucking world that AJ does not get the rock a lot more.

Fuck the run. Packers are a passing team. Dumb Mike tired to play smash mouth futbol in 1st half and Pack scored nada.

Just throw the fuckin rock 70 times a game!

[Joemailman]

Josh Jones with 4 defensive snaps. Starting to wonder if TT used a 2nd round pick on a guy who can't grasp the defense, and is therefore mainly just a ST player.

[Bossman641]

McCarthy did not just run the isolation routes, but its still too much a part of their game. They ran some nice slants off a receiver stack and flat/slant combo, Adams had a couple of those catches for good yardage. But several times and at least twice in the red zone, it was back to static offense and one on one matchups. Lions just mauled them early and hope the pass rush would arrive.

I think this is only partially by design. McCarthy does still trust this part of his offense and he has not committed to revamping the whole thing. But when they no huddle, I think these kinds of static plays happen more often AND especially when they go Rodgers extended offense.

I do think I have figured out the most baffling route of all, the 7 yard vertical, stop and turn around route. I think this is a byproduct of the hurry up and the Rodgers extended offense. I don't think all WR get the play call in the no huddle, or that play call is shortened to a couple of routes on one side of the ball. And those that don't get a specific job do this as a placeholder, driving off the defender, turning around and looking to see if the play is extended.

Yep I agree. The red zone offense is extremely stale. It's frustrating to watch other teams use motion, misdirection, picks, and forcing the other defense into communication errors while we just line up and play.

[mraynrand]

McCarthy did not just run the isolation routes, but its still too much a part of their game. They ran some nice slants off a receiver stack and flat/slant combo, Adams had a couple of those catches for good yardage. But several times and at least twice in the red zone, it was back to static offense and one on one matchups. Lions just mauled them early and hope the pass rush would arrive.

I think this is only partially by design. McCarthy does still trust this part of his offense and he has not committed to revamping the whole thing. But when they no huddle, I think these kinds of static plays happen more often AND especially when they go Rodgers extended offense.

I do think I have figured out the most baffling route of all, the 7 yard vertical, stop and turn around route. I think this is a byproduct of the hurry up and the Rodgers extended offense. I don't think all WR get the play call in the no huddle, or that play call is shortened to a couple of routes on one side of the ball. And those that don't get a specific job do this as a placeholder, driving off the defender, turning around and looking to see if the play is extended.

Good thought. I was thinking this also could be that many plays are set up for a mismatch(es) that Rodgers identifies pre-snap. If he’s wrong/the play gets blown up, it’s scramble drill.

[mraynrand]

Good thought. I was thinking this also could be that many plays are set up for a mismatch(es) that Rodgers identifies pre-snap. If he’s wrong/the play gets blown up, it’s scramble drill.

Oh, and if the optimal matchup is on a deep or slow developing route Rodgers may have such tunnel vision as to ignore or miss another open route. (But he could miss an open guy even on a quick hitter like the MVS play on fourth down vs Buffalo where Adams was briefly open for the first down).