How would you MNGA (Make the NFL Great Again)??

[pbmax]

true story, about a year or 2 ago, i'm working on a place. the lady across the street finds a kid walking in front of her place with no parent. the lady blew up about 50 phones yelling at people about how she couldn't believe someone would just forget about their kid like that. she even called the police. 3 or 4 cop cars show up for the "lost child"

turns out the kid lived next door to where i was, right across the street from the lady. she had sent her child outside to play while she did the laundry

and the kid was probably 6 or 7

when i was the kids age i was wandering all around the neighborhood, as i'm sure most kids from years ago were allowed to do. its just gotten insane how crazy people have gotten these days

That lady lives in every neighborhood. I only get worried when no one is walking around because that means there is a party I wasn't invited to.

[pbmax]

Safety theater refers to a waist-high fence, the foil thing you peel off a new bottle of Tylenol, or or any other measure that is more about making people feel safe than it is about making people actually safe. It's profoundly stupid to gaslight the public and just ignore or deny CTE.

Hold the phone.

A waist high fence keeps the backyard football or soccer game out of your yard (both a terrible position and a person who should be shunned) and keeps the dog in your yard. I don't agree with the former but fully appreciate the latter.

The foil lets you know if its been opened or punctured. It can also alert you to counterfeits. So what is the foil failing to do on the Tylenol bottle?

[3irty1]

Hold the phone.

A waist high fence keeps the backyard football or soccer game out of your yard (both a terrible position and a person who should be shunned) and keeps the dog in your yard. I don't agree with the former but fully appreciate the latter.

The foil lets you know if its been opened or punctured. It can also alert you to counterfeits. So what is the foil failing to do on the Tylenol bottle?

Any dog that is deterred by a waist-high fence is no safety concern at all. I'm not saying a waist high fence is never useful, I'm saying it's not useful for a safety application.

I thought of Tylenol because it is a historical example. The foil seal was an effort to regain consumer confidence in the product after the 1980's Tylenol murders in Chicago. The foil seal is a trivial obstacle for someone committed to intentionally buying, poisoning, and replacing a bottle of pills back on the shelf. That recall and subsequent packaging changes are a classic case study.

Alternative examples would be velvet ropes, most of what TSA does, and buildings protected by "no weapons allowed" stickers.

[pbmax]

Any dog that is deterred by a waist-high fence is no safety concern at all. I'm not saying a waist high fence is never useful, I'm saying it's not useful for a safety application.

I thought of Tylenol because it is a historical example. The foil seal was an effort to regain consumer confidence in the product after the 1980's Tylenol murders in Chicago. The foil seal is a trivial obstacle for someone committed to intentionally buying, poisoning, and replacing a bottle of pills back on the shelf. That recall and subsequent packaging changes are a classic case study.

Alternative examples would be velvet ropes, most of what TSA does, and buildings protected by "no weapons allowed" stickers.

Velvet ropes I get, because they are only acknowledged by people who want to follow the rules. No weapons allowed stickers are lawsuit inoculations.

But a dog deterred by a waist high fence is in less danger of running into the road, also of taking a chunk out of an over friendly (or perhaps not so friendly) neighbor kid when the owners are not present.

The foil seal is a hurdle to half ass attempts to tamper or re-sell a product.

Could someone (or somedog) defeat these measures? Sure. But they are there to inhibit a known event and to discourage copy cats (or dogs).

I am not sure I buy that people think these measures are unbeatable. You have a link to the Tylenol thing? I seem to remember reading about it, but have forgotten it.

[pbmax]

Speaking of things no one should take at face value, here is my second favorite sub-genre, economic impact estimations!

NFL345 @NFL345
2018 NFL DRAFT GENERATES RECORD $125.2 MILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR DALLAS REGION: https://tinyurl.com/y9hsawyq

I suspect the money paid to the people who Tweet this probably counts in this calculation.

Twice.

[mraynrand]

Speaking of things no one should take at face value, here is my second favorite sub-genre, economic impact estimations!

NFL345 @NFL345
2018 NFL DRAFT GENERATES RECORD $125.2 MILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR DALLAS REGION: https://tinyurl.com/y9hsawyq

I suspect the money paid to the people who Tweet this probably counts in this calculation.

Twice.

Johnny Manzier had an economic impact on downtown Cleveland liquor stores

[pbmax]

Johnny Manzier had an economic impact on downtown Cleveland liquor stores

I buy the highly localized effects. Ozzie Newsome once sold a Ford to my family.

[Fosco33]

See the article on expanded rosters...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25581612

[Deputy Nutz]

Get rid of Automatic First Down Penalties. Assess the yardage from the penalty and replay the down. If the penalty nets the required yardage for a first down, the team is then awarded the first down. Eliminate spot of the foul penalty on pass interference. 10 yard penalty at the most, replay the down. Eliminate all the reccent addition of penalties on hitting or tackling the quarterback. Protect the QB like any other player on the field. If teams want to protect the QB they will increase the % of runs, and keep more blockers in to protect in pass pro.

Speaking for myself, changing rules have watered the game down and has taken away most of the interest week to week. I used to enjoy tackling subject matter here on Packerrats and debating with posters on here, but I simply struggle to maintain interest in the NFL game anymore. I still enjoy the draft, but that's about it.

[texaspackerbacker]

Regarding the spot of the foul thing, college has just a 15 yard penalty. That makes two bad (IMO) things happen: players are more apt to interfere knowing the 15 yards may save a TD or much longer gain, and officials are quicker to call penalties knowing it has less impact on the game.

[Rutnstrut]

How about consistency with what gets called?

[Guiness]

You have a link to the Tylenol thing? I seem to remember reading about it, but have forgotten it.

You seriously forget the Tylenol thing old man? It wasn't far down the road in Chicago.

Half a dozen poisonings by substituting cyanide capsules for extra-strength Tylenol. No one was ever arrested.

At the time pill bottles were not sealed, so making the swap was easy as pie. Theory is the perpetrator just bought a few bottles, brought them home to swap the pills. He them went back to the store and put them back on the shelf. The case was the genesis of tamper-proof seals for over-the-counter medication.

[pbmax]

You seriously forget the Tylenol thing old man? It wasn't far down the road in Chicago.

Half a dozen poisonings by substituting cyanide capsules for extra-strength Tylenol. No one was ever arrested.

At the time pill bottles were not sealed, so making the swap was easy as pie. Theory is the perpetrator just bought a few bottles, brought them home to swap the pills. He them went back to the store and put them back on the shelf. The case was the genesis of tamper-proof seals for over-the-counter medication.

I remember the events.

Was asking 3itry1 if the "classic case study" of foil over the lids being mostly reassurance was actually a matter of serious study, and if so, if he had any material to read on it.

It's obvious that no cheap fix will prevent people intent on tampering. It just helps deter some obvious methods and copy cats.