"Have the Green Bay Packers wasted Aaron Rodgers' best years?"

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https://sports.yahoo.com/green-bay-packers-wasted-aaron-083025453.html

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i say yes....

and 25 years of favre and rodgers and only 2 super bowls is pathetic imo. 25 years, almost half the years of the super bowl era we've had 2 of the best QB's of all time, and just 2 wins

not good enough

i will say that the article is wrong on one count. both QB's have had some pretty nice weapons over the years. maybe not enough of them at the same time, but there were some nice ones (sharpe, brooks, freeman, driver, jennings, jordy, adams), those are top tier wr's

[wist43]

Yes, and unfortunately things have gone exactly the way I said they would if TT didn't alter his approach.

I'm encouraged by Gute... but not convinced by any stretch of the imagination. The Burks pick is a big red flag.

[texaspackerbacker]

yes and no. I've said maybe more than anybody else that Ted Thompson was delinquent in putting together a supporting cast to Aaron Rodgers. So in terms of maximizing things including Super Bowls, yeah, Rodgers' best years maybe have been wasted. For me, though, I'm thankful to have a team that has a good winning record every year. I know a lot of people might disagree, but I put more value on that than on going up and down like a roller coaster - like the Giants for example - with Super Bowls and a lot of shitty years mixed in.

[Tony Oday]

Bostic and CMIII owe AR two rings.

[mraynrand]

It's a tough argument. How many Superbowls should they have? Wasted? Whose fault is it they lost to the Giants in 2011? Whose fault is it they always draft at the end of the first round? Whose fault is it they lose Collins? Arguably no other team except the Patsies have done better since Rodgers came on as a starter. The Giants who beat them in 2011, defeated who many thought was the best team in the history of the NFL. Packers have been consistently good with Rodgers. I suppose if all you care about are championships, then they 'wasted' him. There are a lot of great QBs who one exactly zero or one championship. Marino, Steve Young, Drew Brees, etc... I guess you can lament the lack of championships, but if you like winning football virtually all the time, this franchise has been astonishingly great for almost thirty years straight.

[bobblehead]

I remember seeing Phillip Rivers in a preseason game against the packers back when. I though "fuck, thats what a QB looks like, not this Rodgers fella who seems a step behind the game".

No one makes a hot read like Rivers. He is a first ballot hall of famer. The Chargers wasted his career.

Drew Brees is a first ballot Hall of famer. The saints haven't been as successful as the Packers. The saints wasted his career.

Peyton Manning....Nuff said.

[Pugger]

It's a tough argument. How many Superbowls should they have? Wasted? Whose fault is it they lost to the Giants in 2011? Whose fault is it they always draft at the end of the first round? Whose fault is it they lose Collins? Arguably no other team except the Patsies have done better since Rodgers came on as a starter. The Giants who beat them in 2011, defeated who many thought was the best team in the history of the NFL. Packers have been consistently good with Rodgers. I suppose if all you care about are championships, then they 'wasted' him. There are a lot of great QBs who one exactly zero or one championship. Marino, Steve Young, Drew Brees, etc... I guess you can lament the lack of championships, but if you like winning football virtually all the time, this franchise has been astonishingly great for almost thirty years straight.

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[Bretsky]

I remember seeing Phillip Rivers in a preseason game against the packers back when. I though "fuck, thats what a QB looks like, not this Rodgers fella who seems a step behind the game".

No one makes a hot read like Rivers. He is a first ballot hall of famer. The Chargers wasted his career.

Drew Brees is a first ballot Hall of famer. The saints haven't been as successful as the Packers. The saints wasted his career.

Peyton Manning....Nuff said.

Rivers has never had the smarts of Rodgers (throws too many picks) and to be honest he doesn't have the talent Rodgers has either. Mobility wise...arm strength ?........He may be a first ballot HOF'er cause he's a huge stat accumulator but nobody has ever tried to argue he's in the same elite category of Rodgers and Tom Brady

Speaking of Tom Brady...……….the other elite QB …………

Brees isn't nearly as talented either; his GM's have brutally failed to get him the defensive squad needed to win multiple Super Bowls. He's normally surrounded by tons of talent on offense but if his GM's only get him one Super Bowl you could easily make the same argument.

Payton Manning; did his teams even play defense until he got to Denver ? Coaches or GMs fault....no idea here.


IT'S a very fair question

IF AROD ends up with one Super Bowl title.....EPIC FAILURE to surround him with talent

[texaspackerbacker]

I remember seeing Phillip Rivers in a preseason game against the packers back when. I though "fuck, thats what a QB looks like, not this Rodgers fella who seems a step behind the game".

No one makes a hot read like Rivers. He is a first ballot hall of famer. The Chargers wasted his career.

Drew Brees is a first ballot Hall of famer. The saints haven't been as successful as the Packers. The saints wasted his career.

Peyton Manning....Nuff said.

Yes but ....... arguably, all those guys had better personnel around them than Rodgers. It's just that Aaron Rodgers is head and shoulders better than those other probable Hall of Famers, and that's why the Packers have had such a long run of greatness - even without enough Super Bowls.

[gbgary]

i say yes too. gutless and cheap in hindsight.

[mraynrand]

IF AROD ends up with one Super Bowl title.....EPIC FAILURE to surround him with talent

Well, they already had an epic failure in 2014. 2011 was somewhat understandable given the opponent (Giants), but that was a failure too. So I agree, if only because they blew those two opportunities. But they had bad luck. That's the way it goes most of the time, even with great players, and why you enjoy the hell out of any titles you can get.

[Rutnstrut]

You can't argue that AR is the best, AND claim GB hasn't wasted his talent. If he's not the best. Then his accomplishments on the field are fine. IF he is the best, the Packers have seriously screwed the pooch.

[mraynrand]

You can't argue that AR is the best, AND claim GB hasn't wasted his talent. If he's not the best. Then his accomplishments on the field are fine. IF he is the best, the Packers have seriously screwed the pooch.

You could argue that he is the best, they've surrounded him with crap, have used him to his absolute maximum value, dragging the rest of the pathetic squad of losers to win after win after win, and therefore have not wasted him at all.

[texaspackerbacker]

You could argue that he is the best, they've surrounded him with crap, have used him to his absolute maximum value, dragging the rest of the pathetic squad of losers to win after win after win, and therefore have not wasted him at all.

You summarized my point of view perfectly.

[pbmax]

Unbelievable.