Official Bye Week Thread

[gbgary]

who says we don't have a pass rush (per PFF) https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...s-after-week-6

[mraynrand]

who says we don't have a pass rush (per PFF) https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...s-after-week-6

They can generate pressure, but their ability to do it with the line and OLBs - especially OLBs - is pretty limited. They need to bring an extra guy(s)...

[pbmax]

We have to accept that there is no pass rush. Pettine has a way to compensate by trusting his secondary to blanket receivers and bring extra pressure. Most good teams (e.g. @ NE) will figure this out and Pack will give up lots of points to these teams). But being able to go all-in on 'zero' coverage more often might compensate for lack of pass rush and get this team to 9-10 wins. Alternatively, they could just play prevent all day and die a death of a thousand cuts. Either way, this isn't a championship defense, there's no way outside of a crazy trade that it can be that, and the offense probably can't get high powered enough to compensate, though I think the O has a pretty high ceiling if the right side of the O-line gets healthy. Summary: I see no reason to change my 9-7 prediction.

Does anyone else agree that the Pettine evidence so far shows that the big problem stretching back with Capers is pass rush? That is not to say coverage or LBs haven't been problems, but the through line really seems to be pass rush.

Two pretty well regarded DCs are having similar results with similar flaws. When they showed that Zero coverage blitz on King's Int, I was having flashbacks to Dom.

[pbmax]

Offense can't keep getting in these awful third down situations.

Jones has a yard per carry better average than Williams and Monty on 2nd down. Saw it today on Twitter, it must be true.

I have to hope that a healthy Rodgers who can operate from under center, will have Jones full time. You can just play fake or RPO instead of one on one pass blocking for the RB.

[wist43]

Jones has a yard per carry better average than Williams and Monty on 2nd down. Saw it today on Twitter, it must be true.

I have to hope that a healthy Rodgers who can operate from under center, will have Jones full time. You can just play fake or RPO instead of one on one pass blocking for the RB.

Never happen... Stubby is who he is. He won't make adjustments for a player's skill set.

[wist43]

who says we don't have a pass rush (per PFF) https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...s-after-week-6

I don't know who compiled those stats, but there's no way they're valid. On the whole, we don't consistently generate pass rush, or push up the middle without blitzing.

Clark and Daniels have both been major disappointments; Matthews is washed up, Perry is below avg, Gilbert avg, and everyone else needs to be replaced.

The front seven needs a massive overhaul.

[pbmax]

I don't know who compiled those stats, but there's no way they're valid. On the whole, we don't consistently generate pass rush, or push up the middle without blitzing.

Clark and Daniels have both been major disappointments; Matthews is washed up, Perry is below avg, Gilbert avg, and everyone else needs to be replaced.

The front seven needs a massive overhaul.

Clark has been fantastic.

[mraynrand]

I don't know who compiled those stats, but there's no way they're valid.

you could look into it, Tex.

[mraynrand]

Does anyone else agree that the Pettine evidence so far shows that the big problem stretching back with Capers is pass rush? That is not to say coverage or LBs haven't been problems, but the through line really seems to be pass rush.

Two pretty well regarded DCs are having similar results with similar flaws. When they showed that Zero coverage blitz on King's Int, I was having flashbacks to Dom.

Individual, one-on-one pass rush by the front OLB and D-line, yes. Since Matthews went downhill, they just don't have enough of it. For all the excitement over Daniels and Clark, it doesn't seem to be enough. The solution is 1) draft/trade for better pass rushers, 2) draft/trade for better defensive backs and go more zero (or other exotic blitz/coverage mixes) 3) play vanilla and die of a thousand cuts and let the offense outscore 'em. 3 has largely been the solution for several years now, with variable success. the 2018 draft went for (2) and I suspect the 2019 draft will be all about (1).

[pbmax]

Here is McCarthy’s off-season quote about the offensive playbook makeover.

“So we’ve taken a scrub-brush approach to the whole system, whether we’re talking about formation, defensive identification, at the line putting the ball in play, all those different areas that you tend to gloss over year to year, particularly when you’re in the same offense for so long.”

Things not mentioned: new plays, new formations, importing ideas from other offenses.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/10/8/17951344/green-bay-packers-mike-mccarthy-aaron-rodgers

[mraynrand]

KAZOOPACKFAN
10/17/2018 at 5:41 pm

This is probably McCarthy’s most anti-Bellichick trait. This commitment to an over-riding goal of balance or # of touches or spreading the ball. Bellichick will get a specific player 25 touches in one game because that player is a significant matchup problem for the team they happen to be playing that week. Said player will look awesome. The next week, whole new opponent, whole new weakness, whole different plan. Said player gets 1/4 the plays and 1/10 the touches. Someone else is the matchup problem and lights it up. It amazes me in this copycat league McCarthy can’t see that.

[pbmax]

McCarthy loves this bubble screen as safe pass that might get you a first. Ever see him run a companion play off it?

https://twitter.com/spreadoffense/status/1052529266984931328?s=21

[wist43]

Has Brown been cut yet?? lol...

What an idiot.

[wist43]

Clark has been fantastic.

1) put the bong down

2) don't drink the bong water

Trust me, I've done point #2 before - it's really not the enjoyable experience you think it would be.

[wist43]

It's strange, it seems like the same players under Pettine have underperformed; while, they overperformed for Capers.

With strangely similar results.

I do think that overall we're much better with Pettine, but I don't think there's any question the individual players are playing worse.