PACKERS NEED TO WEIGH RISK/REWARD WITH MCCARTHY

[Bretsky]

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/11/10/dougherty-packers-must-weigh-risk-reward-mike-mccarthy-hot-seat/1948775002/

[Bretsky]

A FEW FUN TIDBITS

As Lombardi put it in a column this week, “(The Packers’ offense) relies on the immense talent of the quarterback to make precise throws. No offensive coaches around the league watch Packers tape for ideas or new concepts to steal, there is no “wow factor” when it comes to their offensive schemes. And this is the root of the disconnect between Rodgers and McCarthy. Rodgers craves more and has been unhappy.”


There’s no denying that McCarthy for the last few years has suffered from a talent shortage aside from Rodgers.

Thompson did next to nothing for the roster aside from the draft, and his final five classes offered little to justify that approach. His 2013-15 picks should form the veteran core of the team, but only three players from those drafts are still on the roster (David Bakhtiari, Davante Adams and Corey Linsley).

[Bretsky]

also, some interesting points about how a couple good draft classes in a row seem to have revived Payton and Tomlin; the same could happen with MM

but the Lombardi comments about lack of innovation is scary

[red]

one big problem i have with the article is when it starts to talk about how fat mike might get a pass because of the lack of talent on the team

this is true. but the offense has almost always had talent, including now. the problem is the scheme sucks. it does no favors to the players, nothing is designed to get the open. its yard ball(ok, everyone go out and get open". or running motion in basketball. and you know what? you don't need a head coach to run that kind of shit

the head coach is adding absolutely nothing to this team, you would like the coach to add something. discipline, tactics, clock management, something. he adds none of that

a coach with a grasp of basic high school plays and tactics might be more helpful to rodgers then mccarthy is at this point

yes, the lack of talent on defense is a huge mess that TT left us, but the offense is the big problem right now

[call_me_ishmael]

The article in the athletic wasn’t anything new or interesting. It’s just time for MM to go at the end of the season. Let him bring Cleveland back to the promise land.

[Bretsky]

NO BRAINER

TRADE MM TO THE BROWNS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still think you can do that in the NFL

[Pugger]

The offense has talent but for some reason Rodgers will NOT take what the defense gives him. He will ignore open guys underneath and go for the big play when all we need is a short slant play to keep the chains moving. Is this AR going rogue or does he have Stubby's blessing? If so then MM needs to go. The interior of our line needs upgrading. I'm pretty happy with our tackles and Spriggs looked pretty good last week filling in for Bulaga. Graham is fine but he isn't the future. Lewis is a nice blocker but Kendricks is a wasted roster space. I like our WRs but they are still pretty green and need to work with AR more during the week so their route running improves. I like A. Jones and he needs to be fed the ball more as long as he puts both hands on the ball while being tackled.

The defense still has major issues. Yes, we have a couple of nice players to build the defense around but besides a couple of young CBs, Martinez, Daniels and Clark there isn't much there. Our pass rush only works when we blitz and if we don't get home we get burned big time. Perry is invisible and Clay is past his prime. I do like the direction of the defensive with Pettine running things. He's made this band of misfits play pretty well at times. That side of the ball still needs reinforcements.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The offense has talent but for some reason Rodgers will NOT take what the defense gives him. He will ignore open guys underneath and go for the big play when all we need is a short slant play to keep the chains moving. Is this AR going rogue or does he have Stubby's blessing? If so then MM needs to go.
.

Rodgers has no doubt morphed into a Martzist before our very eyes. Likes to hold the rock forever, as he fights for the downtrodden. Now Martzism is not necessarily a bad thing. Martzism put Warner in the Hall of Fame. Got the noodle-arm Marc Bulger paid. Hell, Cutler didn't look too bad under Martz - Bears were one BJ Raji pick-6 away from reaching the Super Bowl.

[red]

wrong thread

[run pMc]

Acme Packing Company had an interesting podcast ("Is Aaron Rodgers greedy?"). Among the musings, one was the speculation that Rodgers hates the "new" changes to the offense and is purposely running it inefficiently. I think that's unlikely, but you never know.

[wpony]

I was watching the game with a friend he was saying the same thing that it look like the player were trying to tank the game last week even started this week a little bit.
I told him if Rodgers is trying to tank this year to get rid of McCarth to have Gute would have to call Rogers into his office and tell him if he wants to get rid of McCarthy he better win this year or he will keep him around for another year just to show him whos boss. LOL

[mraynrand]

Rodgers has no doubt morphed into a Martzist before our very eyes. Likes to hold the rock forever, as he fights for the downtrodden. Now Martzism is not necessarily a bad thing. Martzism put Warner in the Hall of Fame. Got the noodle-arm Marc Bulger paid. Hell, Cutler didn't look too bad under Martz - Bears were one BJ Raji pick-6 away from reaching the Super Bowl.

spread the wealth!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

spread the wealth!

That’s exactly why J-Mike failed to produce Gronkish numbers, season-wise. Rodgers likes to spread the wealth. J-Mike had to share it with studs like Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson and Cobb.

And Pack won a SB spreading the wealth.

Goddamn, I miss J-Mike!

[Fritz]

I was watching the game with a friend he was saying the same thing that it look like the player were trying to tank the game last week even started this week a little bit.
I told him if Rodgers is trying to tank this year to get rid of McCarth to have Gute would have to call Rogers into his office and tell him if he wants to get rid of McCarthy he better win this year or he will keep him around for another year just to show him whos boss. LOL

I do not believe this is how the power structure is set up. I think it is Murphy who holds the fate of MM in his hands, not Gutekunst. Though I trust Gute more than Murphy at this point. I see Murphy as gingerly holding this cash cow in his hands.

[Pugger]

I do not believe this is how the power structure is set up. I think it is Murphy who holds the fate of MM in his hands, not Gutekunst. Though I trust Gute more than Murphy at this point. I see Murphy as gingerly holding this cash cow in his hands.

Murphy is not like other "owners" so if he sticks with MM and the team gets worse the Executive Committee and/or Board of Directors can do something about it and relieve him of his duties as team Prez.