WHO AM I ?

[mraynrand]

What in the hell did Sherman have anything to do with the Packers in 2010? In that year your hero was coaching at Texas A & M.

If Sherman hadn't Tanked 2004, the Packers never would have captured Rodgers. Sherman meant to just make the playoffs, lose at home to MN so that they would be in perfect position for the falling prospects of Rodgers. Crazy like a fox cubed.

[red]

What in the hell did Sherman have anything to do with the Packers in 2010? In that year your hero was coaching at Texas A & M.

was he even still at A&M

or had he been fired from there by then?

it was a very fast decent for him

[mraynrand]

was he even still at A&M

or had he been fired from there by then?

it was a very fast decent for him

He recruited Manzier (redshirted 2011) then was fired after a winning (Bowl) season with too many blown leads.

[pbmax]

I still can't believe TT passed on him. EDGE is clearly our biggest weakness and TJ would have been a wonderful addition. For some reason Ted fell in love with secondary players. And most of those guys are no longer on the team today!

Ted is going into the Packers' HOF and that is fine. He did build the 2010 team that won it all but if you look at his last couple of drafts it is obvious he was past his prime and we are now suffering the consequences of that incompetency and Gute now has to fix this mess before #12 retires.

Don't you remember the defensive backfield the 2 years prior to that draft? DB was the biggest need, in terms of talent AND numbers. Pass rush was need 1A but the reason they needed DBs was patently obvious. You could hope Perry and Matthews would be somewhat effective, but there was no hope deep in the secondary.

Saying now that it was a huge mistake is just the kind of hindsight you get when you forget about Odell Thurman.

[pbmax]

2010 was mostly Sherman. Lest y’all forget, Packers made the playoffs after a 2-4 start or something like that in 2004. That allowed all the planets to align for Todd, and Todd picked the Great Arm of Butte with Sheman’s 24th overall pick.

It seems a patently Sherman move not to have actual success and for success to follow his departure five years later.

To succeed with Sherman, you must move on.

[Bretsky]

Don't you remember the defensive backfield the 2 years prior to that draft? DB was the biggest need, in terms of talent AND numbers. Pass rush was need 1A but the reason they needed DBs was patently obvious. You could hope Perry and Matthews would be somewhat effective, but there was no hope deep in the secondary.

Saying now that it was a huge mistake is just the kind of hindsight you get when you forget about Odell Thurman.

First Off, Odell Thurman was a fabulous football talent but a terrible person

SECONDLY......are you advocating taking a NEED PICK over the CLEAR BPA ? I could not disagree with your logic more.

This was a severe f'ck up by ThanksTed who constantly used his BPA mojo.

And as you know....I didn't wait at all.

This pick was too easy...and there were 2nd and 3rd rounders and free agents who were available for our secondary.

[pbmax]

I agree completely that needs picks played a part in Ted's poor defensive drafts.

BPA all the way here.

But I am saying I understand why he wanted to find DBs. They literally had one of four (five really) that were qualified to start in the NFL. This is where the reluctance to sign FAs hurt him and he adjusted a bit late.

But no one was convinced TJ Watt was the BPA. Everyone WANTED a pass rusher. He might turn out to be the BPA at that point in the draft, but at the end of the first people were just excited pass rush was there.

[Bretsky]

I was excited and convinced TJ Watt was the BPA.

[mraynrand]

First Off, Odell Thurman was a fabulous football talent but a terrible person

SECONDLY......are you advocating taking a NEED PICK over the CLEAR BPA ? I could not disagree with your logic more.

This was a severe f'ck up by ThanksTed who constantly used his BPA mojo.

And as you know....I didn't wait at all.

This pick was too easy...and there were 2nd and 3rd rounders and free agents who were available for our secondary.

That's why everyone else picked him before the Steelers too - because he was such a lead pipe lock. So you got this one right - after advocating for almost every badger there is you had to strike it rich at least once!

But seriously, the need versus BPA in this case could also be a philosophical decision - pass rush versus coverage. Dominance in one area can of course assist the other. AS PB noted, the Packer were wafer thin at defensive back. Mistakes beget mistakes perhaps, but still I don't think King was considered fragile in college, right?

[call_me_ishmael]

I mean look, kid had the size/speed combo that premier players had. He only did it one year, but we all had the up close look! Not to mention the obvious intangibles, work ethic, great parents, great bloodline, etc. Forget about the hometown stuff - I think we all saw that Watt was freaky deaky. JJ, one of the best players in NFL history, said TJ is better than him. That says everything you need to know right there.

It was a no brainer to take Watt. It was a colossal gaffe at the time and in hindsight. Matters were only made worse by using the #4 they received on somebody who is out of the league already. King had a rich track record of injuries to boot.

Kevin King does not look like a reliable starter at this point. He hasn't show any indication to be that beyond his size/speed. Hopefully he figures out how to stay healthy and be a regular contributor.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I agree completely that needs picks played a part in Ted's poor defensive drafts.

BPA all the way here.

But I am saying I understand why he wanted to find DBs. They literally had one of four (five really) that were qualified to start in the NFL. This is where the reluctance to sign FAs hurt him and he adjusted a bit late.

But no one was convinced TJ Watt was the BPA. Everyone WANTED a pass rusher. He might turn out to be the BPA at that point in the draft, but at the end of the first people were just excited pass rush was there.

The ‘17 draft class had some depth at corner. Witherspoon, Teez Teboor, Sidney Jones, Shaq Griffin, to name a few, were players Todd could’ve drafted or traded up to draft without sacrificing a goat, post 1st round. In fact, Witherspoon pretty much was a carbon copy of King, but with a bit more thug and way less fragile than King.

Todd should’ve drafted Watt. Todd fucked up, plain and simple.

[pbmax]

Mistakes beget mistakes perhaps, but still I don't think King was considered fragile in college, right?

He had the original shoulder injury. Otherwise, I don't remember physical concerns.

[George Cumby]

I was excited and convinced TJ Watt was the BPA.

I was with you on this one and was flummoxed when King was picked.

[Smidgeon]

I understand the part about believing he was the BPA. Not everyone agreed with you, but hindsight is 20/20. I wasn't sure because the whole "bloodlines" thing is overdone. There are more examples of siblings that are much less than there are where they're better.

But going to needs of the team, the Packers had a better Matthews and a not-yet-done Perry. The secondary was a much bigger need (and still is when you take the safeties into account). Meanwhile, despite a combined 4 sacks between Perry and Matthews (if I remember the stat correctly), the Packers are tied for league lead in sacks and have the highest sack rate in the league.

We don't have the splash player, but we're torturing quarterbacks who hold the ball for more than 2 seconds. I personally think that's because of Kenny Clark, but I'm not a scout.

[Carolina_Packer]

I was with you on this one and was flummoxed when King was picked.

The moment the pick was made, I could not believe they had traded the pick. Then, as it played out, we saw that it was King at the top of the 2nd, and, well of course we needed a DB as well. Then came the top of the 4th round and we picked Biegel. He gets basically a redshirt year for his injury, but the fact that he comes back the next year and can't even make the team...that's bad. Partially bad on him, of course, but mostly bad on the lame brain plan to double-down and cover two positions of need by trading back. That only works if the players you choose don't get cut at the 53-man cut down the next year. Oy!